Addendum: His4Ever, that site you posted touts the well refuted film “The Godmakers.” You can’t even stop telling lies secondhand, can you?
OK, then, Someone’s4Ever, may I now call you a slut? May I now say your faith takes delight in the prospect of people burning in hell? May I accuse the Baptist Church of defying the injunction of Paul by associating themselves with the base slander contained on the website you just cited? May I accuse you of glorying in your own sin, wallowing in it like pigs in a mudhole, although by doing so I insult pigs? May I accuse you of defying the God you so ardently claim to worship by continuing, irrepentantly to knowingly spread falsehoods in the name of Truth?
How dare you defame the name of Jesus by spreading lies? How dare you call yourself “Christian” when the result of your actions are to drive people away from Christ. Last December you indirectly accused me of being a traitor to Christ. Now I directly accuse you of that, in full knowledge that that may be the worst thing I can call you and at peril to my own soul. You are a traitor to Christ and all He stands for.
Consider these verses in which slander is speficically and explicitly condemned:
[ul][li]Romans 1:30[/li][li]Romans 3:8[/li][li]1 Corinthians 5:11[/li][li]1 Corinthians 6:10[/li][li]2 Corinthians 12:20[/li][li]Ephesians 4:31[/li][li]Colossians 3:8[/li][li]2 Timothy 3:3[/li][li]Titus 3:2[/ul][/li]Consider also the malice and the gossip you have exhibited on this board by continuing to irrepentently spread lies. Think on your complete and utter failure to show the least trace of humility, which St. Paul also counsels us to, compassion, mercy, and love which Christ requires of us. How have you loved your neighbor as yourself as Christ commanded you. Are you even capable of it?
Re-read Matthew 23. You are like the Pharisees who “don’t practice what they teach. They crush you with impossible religious demands and never lift a finger to help ease the burden.
Everything they do is for show. . . They enjoy the attention they get on the streets, and they enjoy being called `Rabbi.’”
In the words of Christ, verses 13-33 from the King James Version of the Bible you make into such an idol:
Your user name is banished from my fingers. To me, you are now Someone’s4Ever at best, although Baal’s4Ever is feeling more accurate right now. I prayed this day would not come. I prayed that God would spare both of us. I prayed that you would open your heart of stone to Him, but you refused to do so. Yesterday, as I read these words from Ezekiel to my congregation in church, I was thinking of you and praying for you:
Later, I learned Polycarp had also, coincidentally, read this same passage aloud to his congregation and thought of you while doing so. I have done as God has commanded me. I have reasoned with you, begged you, and pleaded with you to turn from your rebellious and heartless ways. Still you persist in slandering others and invoking the name of God while doing so.
You say I have no reason to think you’re not a Christian? I say to you I have every bit as much reason to accuse you of not being a Christian as you have to accuse Catholics and Mormons of not being Christians. I could claim more, because my belief is based upon the testimony of my own observance of your actions, while yours is based on biased, second hand, slanderous testimony. You show no evidence of God’s life or Christ’s ministry in your actions, nor do you show any evidence of any real willingness to do so, although you may mouth the words on occaision. A Wiccan defended you many times over, yet you, in your so-called Christian arrogance, would accuse him of being a damned sinner. Given the company of sinners like him or so-called Christians like you, I will choose to be damned, for such is a better and more honest fate.
Do not pray for me. I do not want the demon you worship intervening on my behalf. I will pray that God soften my heart toward you, and that He continue to try to get you to see and proclaim Him for what He is, but, as God once said of Israel, another people who believed themselves chosen, you are “impudent and stubborn.”
Once I would have signed off “Respectfully.” Your last post, coupled with your actions in this thread, has removed the last vestige of respect I had for you. God willing (a phrase I have never seen you use, by the way), it will be restored.
May God touch that stone that lives where your heart should be.
With great sorrow,
CJ
Gotta love someone who refutes the accusation of lying by spreading another lie.
<reads Siege’s post>
Or not.
(Yow! That girl can flame.)
<reads Miller’s post>
Erm. What Miller said. Actually, technically, he’s right. I do "Gotta love someone who " etc. It’s just that right now, it ain’t easy! :rolleyes:
CJ
Siege:
#1) Remind me to stay clear when you’re fired up.
#2) Read H4E’s posting on page 8 of this thread in response to Polycarp. I don’t think she’s all that interested in what someone she considers an apostate has to say. We already know she’s not interested at all in truth.
Siege & Miller:
Isn’t it funny that one of the gripes H4E has with my church is one particular prayer we have? So she gets in a huff about it and calls us non-Christian saying we shouldn’t pray for folks. And now she says she’s praying for me. Hah!
Oh, and I am praying for you, H4E. Actually, I have been for quite sometime, but I realize that diligence and perseverance doesn’t always produce the desired results. What a pity. What a tremendous shame.
Hmm, Prince of Peace?
Siege: May I point out a bit of a minor thing? The main LDS outfit is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There are, sadly, offshoots that call themselve other things–one of 'em might use the expression you typed; however, none of them, AFAIK, calls themselves Mormons. That’s just us guys who think Utah is the bee’s knees.
His4Ever: Care to point to a posting by me where I asked you to believe in the LDS church’s version of the Gospel?
Remarkably germane to this discussion is (IMO) the account of Jesus when he was conftronted by the scribes and Pharisees with the woman taken in adultery. Of particular note is the response when Jesus suggested “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”:
So it is with these religious squabbles. The immature are slowest to admit error, or to hand out mercy. His4ever, you along with others appear to be among these who are last to walk away, shamed by conscience only at the very end.
And that’s how I started when I served as a missionary, sad to say. I was a bit too eager to condemn, and too slow to forgive. But as I grew, and sincerly tried to help people, I found myself more genuinely concerned about each person’s well being, and less concerned about whether they agreed with me. Naturally, conversion and baptism are still critical goals, necessary for each person’s spiritual welfare, but I learned that presenting the message in a way that offends does no good for anyone. I learned that when I found someone who wasn’t interested in hearing what I had to say, it was better to wish him well and sincerely pray for him. It was better for me, and for everyone else.
Now, let’s be clear: I’m not saying to water down the message out of fear of rejection. Rather I’m talking about tailoring the message for each person, to the degree he is willing to receive it. Once some is received, more can be given. And in all things, avoid contention–nothing good comes of it (and it is impossible to genuinely convert someone to truth by means of a lie, as the article cited in the OP describes).
Finally, His4ever, you can safely assume that we Mormons (or Catholics) have heard the criticisms you have lobbed at us here in this thread. You can also assume that we’ve responded to them, pointing out the errors and exposing the polemics. I suggest you attempt to find out how we’ve responded to critics–we LDS have had the better part of 200 years to fight ignorance, but (as noted here) it’s taking longer than we thought. Sincere disagreement is expected, but surely you agree that you should at least get your facts right?
Beautiful, Siege, just beautiful!
Oh, and remind me to not get you pissed at me! 
I’m Wiccan yet I could feel the flames all the way over here.
So, friend, is perhaps her closest spiritual advisor! (And a brilliant, wise, and compassionate man, whose acquaintance is perhaps her second greatest gift to me.)
In any case, I think you need not worry about Siege flames. For the most part you, though a Wiccan, live out the spirit of Christ for which she and I seek in people – and find it often very un-evident in the loves of many who are the quickest to call themselves Christian – and to question the Christianity of others. (Why the fuck else do you think He told you to persevere?!? ;j)
Monty:
“Bee’s knees?” Was that truly necessary? Hiss. Hiss, I say.
Gee, Andros, there are those who would think that sort of pun is no more than our Just Deserets. 
First of all, my apologies to anyone who got scorched by collateral damage. That does not, of course, include ____'s4Ever. I don’t lose my temper all that often. The fire was directed at one person and one person only, and I did try to warn her. Surely Friday’s eruption was a hint? Freyr, Miller, you two are in no danger from me, and if you ever are, I will warn you first.
Monty, please accept my apologies for the terminology I used. If you could suggest a good noun for “a follower of the Church of Latter Day Saints”, I’d appreciate it. I’ve been using “Mormon” as the best I could come up with from my limited knowledge. Basically, I’d like the equivalent of “Catholic”.
____'s4Ever, my accusations against you stand. Refute them with deeds if you have a trace of courage.
Again, my apologies to anyone and everyone who got scorched by collateral damage. I’ve also made my apologies to the poor hamsters, and I promise my keyboard isn’t melted! Freyr, that Wiccan friend of mine, (known as HJay around here) is indeed a source of great strength, comfort, and wisdom to me, and I called him right after I blew up here. He’s also defended ____'s4Ever many times and talked me out of flaming her more than once. I’ll take you two over a ton of Christians like ____'s4Ever, although maybe not over Polycarp.
CJ
The pun was completely unintended.
Siegie: A follower of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is known as a Latter-day Saint. Common parlance has such a follower referred to as Mormon.
Ack! Common parlance also has the username as Siege. Sorry about the misspelling! Hey, Siege misspelled it too! 
Monty, I admit to a bit of confusion here, and (as I’m sure is true for Siege as well, would not uinintentionally offend you and the other members of the church founded/restored by Joseph Smith Jr.
I know the church’s formal name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with hyphen and small d on the penultimate word/words. I know some members are particular on that last bit of capitalization and punctuation because separatist groups use related names with no hyphen and/or a capital D. I know that “Mormon” originated as a pejorative (roughly, “those weirdos who believe that Smith’s ‘Book of Mormon’ is Scripture”), but, like Christian and Methodist, has been reclaimed and is used with pride by Mormons of themslves. I know that the Latter-day Saints of the offical name refers to the Christian Nephite leaders, e.g., Mormon and Moroni, and by extension is sometimes used of your 19th Century founders, eg., Joseph Smith, Jr., and Brigham Young, though that is not the technical meaning – and, by extreme extension, of persons such as yourself who are members of the CoJCoLDS – and that the two extensions are gently discouraged. I know that LDS as an abbreviation is an acceptable shorthand for the church and its beliefs used adjectivally, e.g., “LDS President Gordon Hinckley said today…”
I went over Siege’s posts after seeing your comment, and for the life of me I cannot see what you questioned in her usage. BTW, as a sort of hijack, can you state briefly and objectively the differences that divide you from the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the other separatist groups, just as a matter of intellectual curiosity?
Thanks for the clarification.
…and I know that I should preview! :o
Any further comments you’d like to make on my analysis of terminology?