BTW, His4Ever, did you read that tract I gave you?
And it was also deleted, ya putz. Thus, the new title, ya putz.
Yes it is: I wrote it all by my lonesome.
I could explain it to you, but logic is the death of poetry and jokes. Maybe you would have found it wittier had I included a reference or two to Star Wars or The Matrix.
See above, ya putz.
I think you’re attempting mind-reading. It’s certainly true that she believes in Hell and that it’s easy to get there. What she fantasizes about is between her, God, and perhaps her psychiatrist. 
Now this I don’t see at all. I get, from many of her posts, that she views herself as deeply flawed. (Which is a very appropriate view for all humans to have, IMO!)
I know you’re not here recommending more divorce, Ben, but so many others have so often, that I want to address this again. She repents of her past behavior – she has said again and again that she was wrong – but she doesn’t feel that another divorce would set things right. It would be adding sin on top of sin. And frankly I support her in this. The position is consistent with what I’ve heard from other fundamentalists for many years now. Her correct path (in my view and, I think, hers) is to stay married, and if her current marriage (God forbid) ends, to thereafter stay single. Nowhere in the N.T. is divorce demanded. It’s true that the Bible regards subsequent marriage after divorce to be a sin, and H4E acknowledges that. Doesn’t stand to reason that one should undo the sin by committing another (another divorce). I speak from second-hand personal experience. My father is in a second marriage, and now acknowledges that it was wrong for him to remarry. But the solution is to ask for forgiveness, not to abandon another wife and another child in a futile attempt to recreate a past which no longer exists.
I don’t like what H4E has to say about homosexuality, nor agree with it, but I don’t believe there are grounds for accusing her of sexual sin herself. In the past, sure. Now, no.
Look, I’m no great fan of hers! (Although I admire her tenacity.) I’ve sniped at her in the past, and she can still make me mad. I would just like to see her treated fairly and not have words put in her mouth.
And His, I apolgize if you’re offended I brought up your marital history myself. Talk about “dredging up the past”, as I had put it above. :smack: I hope you know I didn’t do so to attack you, but to defend you, and under the assumption that it’s pretty much common knowledge by now.
When did I ever suggest that she get divorced?
Well, what do you suggest in order to remedy what you consider to be her sins?
I’m sorry, Ben, you certainly didn’t. Others often have.
If she wants to get right with the Bible, then she should quit having sex.
If she wants to remedy what I consider her sins? For one thing, she could actively support SOCAS in general, and the legalization of gay marriage in particular. From what I hear, she spreads lies, so she should quit that, too. Would it be inappropriate of me to suggest further that she quit worshipping a demon and following false prophets?
Okay, then, take it to another thread.
What about the following verses?
I Corinthians 7:3-5
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
You consider not supporting separation of church and state, not supporting gay marriage, and worshipping Jesus to be sinful? I’d just call them differences of opinion.
Those who hold opposing opinions are not sinners to me – they are merely people with opposing opinions. I may think them somewhat misguided, but sinful? How so?
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What about them? She doesn’t have to get a legal divorce in order to acknowledge that she’s not really married to her current “husband”.
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Of course it’s sinful, in her case. She benefits from SOCAS, but she wants to make sure that homosexuals don’t get the same benefits. If she were opposed to SOCAS for her own situation, that would be different.
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If you don’t consider bigotry to be a sin, I don’t know what to say. But hey, you asked for my opinion. My opinion is that bigotry is sinful.
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Don’t put words in my mouth. Not all Christians are demon worshippers. Although one could debate whether one can be a Christian after one throws all the false prophets out of the Bible.
I really don’t want to get into anybody else’s sex life, so I am shy of this topic, but … you’re recommending withholding sex? (If you were her, trying to take a non-hypocitical position, etc.) Withholding sex in a marriage is forbidden by the Bible. (See lel’s post.) Furthermore, it leads to divorce (it was or is grounds for divorce in many jurisdictions) which is also forbidden. If you’re stating what you seriously think she should do to be consistent with her own beliefs, I don’t think you have a leg to stand on. You’re advocating something which would not be Biblical at all.
Nice broad brush you have there. You know, when you misuse words like bigot, they lose their force when it’s really needed. Lots of perfectly respectable non-bigots don’t support gay marriage. Get over yourself.
Well Ben, you’re kind of throwing around generalities, so it’s hard to tell what you mean sometimes. Anyway calling just her a demon-worshipper, let alone all Christians, is a bit much. You don’t like her style of evangelism, you don’t like her interpretation of the Bible, you don’t like her political views, therefore she worships a demon. Nice.
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Maybe I’m mistaken, but by my interpretation she’s not married right now- except in the eyes of the law.
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Name one.
While you’re at it, name some non-bigots who are against interracial marriage.
Who’s the mind-reader now? She’s a bigot because of her political views. She’s a demon-worshipper because she worships a demon.
Demon: (n)
1.) An evil supernatural being; a devil.
2.) A persistently tormenting person, force, or passion: *the demon of drug addiction. *
Do you have a different definition?
So, let’s see – she gets a divorce, it’s a sin. She doesn’t get a divorce, it’s a sin. She has sex, it’s a sin. She doesn’t have sex, it’s a sin. What’s the solution?
I’ll wait for the next high-profile divorce case to break.
Okay, and I believe bigotry is not sinful. Mind you, I also believe masonite may have a point that not all who oppose gay marriage are bigots. I don’t know. Bigotry is in the eyes of the beholder, perhaps?
So, how are you certain that His4ever is supporting something evil? Maybe her deity is right, and we’re all evil by not supporting it.
Can you give me one honest, non-bigoted reason for opposing gay marriage? I’ve never heard one.
Actually I’d draw a distinction between opposing gay marriage and not supporting it. I don’t support it. I don’t support the State’s take on any marriage, actually. But I don’t much care whether gay marriage comes to pass, and I’m not fighting against it either. I suppose that makes me a bigot in some people’s eyes.
As far as non-bigots who do not support gay marriage, look around this board, look around the conservative columnists, etc… is it really to be taken as a given that if a person doesn’t support gay marriage, he/she is automatically a bigot? I am not sure if the debate has been sealed yet.
Bigot is coming to be a word for me that instantly Godwinizes any discussion. I’m tired of hearing it thrown around.
One could use the exact same argument to defend Fred Phelps. Sorry, but I don’t go for that kind of extreme moral relativism. The fact is that either His4Ever’s deity is evil, or the word “evil” is so hopelessly undefinable that we might as well take it out of the dictionary.
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Of course it does. If you don’t support equal rights for African-Americans, you’re a bigot. If you don’t support equal rights for homosexuals, you’re a bigot. If you don’t support equal rights for Christians, you’re a bigot.
What’s the big problem?
(This is aside from the question of “do not support” vs. “actively oppose.” I’m defining “do not support” to mean that they believe gay marriage should not be legal. His4Ever has publically taken that position.)
shrug. No one is forcing you to stick around. Personally, I’m sick of people defending offensive positions by saying that we can’t call a spade a spade, because in doing so we would be diluting the word “spade.”
I can’t even read this shit! Do youreally think the war in Iraq was a quest to convert people?
Anyone who says yes must answer to the thousands of women raped buy Uday. You like rape?!? I hope it happens to you (this isn’t said flippantly, if you support Saddam, you support rape). How about the thousands that were tortured for speaking out against Hussein’s regime? Electricity being applied to the scrotum, nails pounded through the scrotum, watching your mother and sisters raped before your eyes. Hitler at least killed his foes quickly.
This is the man you are defending.
FWIW, there were’t any Jews or Christians in the bombing of the WTC either time.
DEATH TO ALLAH!!!
… Ohkayyy.
Now, seriously, and no joking. This is what’s been bugging me on and off, His, about the problem with homosexuality. It’s pretty simple, and I hope you can explain it to me. As far as I can tell, it’s in two places. One is Paul, the “Lieth with another man as he lieth with a woman”, right? And the other is Leviticus. It’s the Leviticus part that I’m curious about. Jesus was the fufilment of the laws, right? That’s why christians don’t have to worry about kosher anymore. (And, in fact, I think cheeseburgers are good evidence of His divinity.)
So, why do people still cite that part of the bible as a command against homosexuality? Or against witches, really.