Game of Thrones 3.10 "Mhysa" 6/9/2013 No book discussion

Yes - he handed out a bunch of them to Hodor and Bran, and mentioned several times that he killed a white walker with them.

First one in thousands of years!

I thought for sure that Bolton was going to kill him in that scene. Make Frey the scapegoat for murdering his guests and claim that he has brought justice to the North, thus making the people there more likely to follow him. He did all his killing behind closed doors and if he can take out Frey’s inner circle, he looks like he’s returning balance to the North by punishing those that break custom.

Dragonstone is about ~200 miles North of King’s Landing. It gets approximately the same climate, with the understanding that Dragonstone is an island. Both of them are pretty far away from the wall. Estimates of 2500 miles. You’d have to be really in tune to the land and the state of the Kingdom to really care what happens that far North.

I don’t think that Ygrette shot Jon because he dared her not to. I don’t know if it was quite so much a conscious decision, but I look at it exactly the same as Jon’s fight with Qhorin Halfhand at the end of Season 2. Jon needs to join the Wildlings and Qhorin knows he can’t just walk up and say “I’m one of you now!” It had to be convincing.
Jon’s been MIA for months now. He suddenly shows up and what’s his story? What’s more convincing? “I killed Qhorin and I’ve been chilling with the Wildlings, but it’s all cool now. I’m back. What’s for supper?”
or
“I was held captive for months and finally managed to escape. Barely.”

Yes,

Thank you for the clarification. I get confused with all these names… LOL

I seriously doubt Ygritte put three arrows in him to make his story more believable.

I don’t think that is all that necessary, unless Jon is playing both sides.
He doesn’t know about what happened at Crasters. I think he’d assume his group made it back to Castle Black and he’ll be able to give his report to the boss. He’s already a bit cut up from the eagle fight, did he need to take an arrow to the knee?

The way RR Martin disposes so freely of main characters who seem to be making progress in overthrowing evil I could easily see Joffrey having his entire family executed in one fell swoop.

As I said, I don’t think Ygritte was consciously thinking “I need to make his story believable. Let me fire a few arrows at him.” But that’s exactly what she did.
Fortunately, she avoided the knee, so Jon has plenty of days as an adventurer left in him.

But did he tell the maestre from the Night’s Watch? Because I’d be trying to find more obsidian/dragonglass if I were him.

I’d be really surprised if he didn’t, though we weren’t shown directly. I’d think even Gilly is smart enough to mention that little bit of fact, and I’m sure that she’s probably going around mentioning that “I named my kid ‘Sam’ because Sam killed a white walker to protect me!”.

Kill Tyrion? Not a chance.

I said it here last season and I’m saying it again now: Kicking Tyrion (and Arya) around is way too much fun for the Gods (ie GRRM) and way too entertaining for the audience to let them actually get killed. Not going to happen, not no way, not no how. Not a chance. They’ll suffer torments aplenty and be threatened with death and worse, but they’ll survive to suffer again.

The other two characters with plot immortality are Dany and Jon. Kill either of them off and their whole subplot dies with them. Possibly at some future point they’ll be replaced in terms of being plot engines, but not for the forseeable future.

Anyone else: death is always a possibility.

Golf clap.

I like that term. I think that Bron might qualify as well. Though if Jon Snow really has a major role to play in Westeros, Bron and Rickon might have to die off to make him the last surviving male heir to Winterfell (though they keep reinforcing that those who have taken the Black have renounced all claims to any titles).

The plot would not change at all if they took out Bronn.

Okay, I was extremely tired by the end, but didn’t Jon die at the end of the episode?

Yes. He beat a man to death with a shield while he was Cat’s prisoner, during the ambush. He probably killed at least one more at Blackwater, when he led the counterattack at the gate, and we saw him chop a man’s leg off with his ax.

He means Bran, and life wouldn’t be worth living without Bronn.

Nope. He opened his eyes and said hi to Sam, and they carried him up into the castle to be cared for.

And yeah - I meant Bran.

My wife and I are going to rewatch the series before next season, so hopefully this time around that sort of stuff will stick - I have no memory of the shield beating.

As to the counter attack at the gate, wasn’t he taken out pretty early? The leg-chop does ring some bells though.

Hm…I guess he’s made of some fairly stern stuff then. I pretty much wrote him off as dead (or dying).