Game of Thrones 7.05 "Eastwatch" 8/13/17 [Show Discussion]

He didn’t want to get rid of it, he wanted Arya to find it. To foster distrust.

Yeah, Jaime and Bronn escaping makes no sense at all. I thought it was going to be interesting having them as Tyrion’s prisoner, but instead we have an extremely implausible resolution.

I feel like Dany proposing that we convince Cersei that the dead are real is a pretty implausible plot. It’s going to take a long ass time for everyone to go up, grab a live one, and drag it down to King’s Landing - as much time as it would take Dany to simply conquer the seven kingdoms and then send help up north as the queen. It feels like a plot contrivance, like we need to put the conflict down south on hold for a seperate northern act.

Gendry ending back up in the story seems random and possibly fanservicey (all the people asking where Gendry was - who cares? His plot was pretty much complete and he didn’t really have a role to play. Being Robert’s bastard at this point is basically irrelevant, even more so than it used to be). But now he’s a necesary part of the Westeros Seven? Out of the blue and doesn’t make much sense to me.

I feel like we were cheated with a Tyrion meeting Bronn scene, and probably too short a Tyrion/Jaime scene.

The maesters were also way too dismissive of a guy they knew to have been north of the wall and have first hand accounts. They didn’t even bother to dismiss him as a madman or think that he was somehow wrong, they basically just brushed first hand knowledge of what’s out there aside. Unsatisfying.

The only thing I rather liked is the Littlefinger vs Arya thing that’s brewing, and maybe Arya vs Sansa.

Kind of a dud.

It was a set-up. Littlefinger was aware that Arya has been following him around and spying on him, and intended for her to find the scroll in question. His goal is to drive a wedge between Arya and Sansa (which Littlefinger hopes to exploit, of course).

Ah, OK. Of course I saw Littlefinger watching her as she left his chambers, but I missed that it had been orchestrated from the get-go.

How about Gilly dropping one of the biggest bombshells yet, only for Sam to dismiss her as he rants about shits?

The internet does not disappoint: The Suicide Squad. There is already a fake Suicide Squad movie poster.

I prefer the Magnificent Westerosi Seven.

One more thought-- It would have been cooler if Drogon ate the Tarlys.

The show is starting to become a little more traditional these days whereas in the past it strove to puncture all the standard tropes.

If you’re watching say, Season 3 and you hear about a very convoluted plan to kidnap a zombie and bring it to Kings Landing, you think, “That’s a plan that’s going to end very badly.” But given how the show has gone recently, it looks like it’ll be quite the traditional heist plotline.

If our heroes succeed in once and for all defeating the Night King, could it be said that, for all of the Night’s Watch, their watch is ended? A technicality for sure, but once that threat is removed, the Watch could be disbanded, and Sam would be freed to become Lord Tarly.

And, I wouldn’t say Jon ignored his vows. He served until he died.

Do we know what weapons The Suicide Squad are sporting? Gendry has a hammer but it ain’t dragonestone or Valarian steel. We know Jon has Jorah’s Valarian steel sword (do you think Jorah notices it and that’s why he keeps giving Jon the stink-eye and not because of Dany?

Anybody know what they’re all packing?

My guess is that Gendry was drawn to this mission because he has king’s blood in his veins. Just as Jon Snow does. Blood magic is a big deal in this world. I suspect all of that group are there because there is something special about each one that put them there. King’s Blood, protection by the Lord of Light, Mormont’s father being commander of the Knight’s watch, perhaps. This is the A-Team, I guess.

And I’m going to take a risk and say that we’re going to see a scene where all looks lost for the group, and a dragon will swoop in and start blasting dead guys. It seemed important that this episode have John sort of bond with the dragon before heading north. I suspect those dragons are going to be somewhat like the direwolves were to the children to some extent. Perhaps one of the others like Rhaegal will be bond to Jon and fly off to protect him.

They also made it very clear that the dragon was sniffing him very carefully, and it liked what it smelled. Targaryan he is. And Jon seemed just as drawn to the dragon.

At this point, Gilly’s little story about a wedding annulment isn’t necessary, and was just a little wink at the fans. Everyone knows who Jon Snow is now.

Is it me, or is Arya coming across as a little… evil? She really does worship death, and she’s happy to deliver it to anyone who needs it delivered to, I guess. Her offhand comment that the unruly Northmen just be beheaded was pretty chilling, as was the way she delivered it and the way she amused by Sansa suggesting that perhaps executing their allies was not the smart move.

Is it possible that Littlefinger’s attempt to split them could result in Arya killing Sansa? I swear a couple of times in this episode Arya looked like the waif - like a snake looking at its prey.

That’s my assumption as well. Except it has to be Drogon…but it should be one of the other two who we haven’t seen in quite a while except in far shots.

I’d rather have had the scene with the Jon and the dragon be with one of them and just have Dany arrive just in time to see it happen.

Currently the only one who knows Jon isn’t Nedd’s bastard is Bran/3ER.

I’m expecting that when Jon returns to Winterfell and is reunited with Bran, the 3ER blurts out that Lyanna was Jon’s mum and Rheagar his dad - and Gilly, who happens to be in the room, remembers the thing she read about L&R being officially married.

But it may or may not count for much in the end anyway.

We know Jon is the son of Rhaegar/Lyanna, but as far as we knew he was a bastard, so he wouldn’t have been in the line of succession. Whatever birthright Dany thinks she has, Jon has even more, which could potentially create conflict. Although it probably shouldn’t - at this point birthright is more or less irrelevant except as rationalization from houses who might want to join the winning side.

A lot of people are assuming Westeros follows the same laws of royal succession as England, but has that been explicitly stated in the show? Heck, even western European powers differed over them. France and England fought a war about it for like a hundred years, but I forget what it was called.

Joffrey inherits the kingdom over Stannis, so yes, it clearly goes to the son first over the sibling.

Yes, and roasting the Tarly’s makes her a bitch.

I’m with her on this.

If she lets them go, they’re going to continue the fight, and Tarly Sr. is an excellent commander. Letting them go will result in more of her people dying.

She doesn’t have the infrastructure set up for keeping long-term POWs, as she stated during her speech.

He refuses to accept exile to the Night’s Watch–and by implication, any exile.

Even as a prisoner staring death in the eyes, he does his best to undermine her in front of all these other soldiers.

Now, maybe she should have beheaded him instead of roasting him. But everything else she decided was defensible, IMO.

The Tarly’s were toast after their refusal. I’d also expect death by dragon fire to be quicker than death by burning at the stake - which Stannis did.