Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS)

Yeah, really. That was my only nitpick with this last episode. No wolves at all. Despite that fact, it was my favorite episode so far.

Is it ever explained why Cat chose to take the Kingsroad back to Winterfell instead of returning by ship? Was it for Rodrik’s sake?

No, its because she planned to stop at Riverrun on th way back.

Last stand, my ass. Syrio lives.

I just finished episode 3, I like it least of all so far. I’m trying very hard not to nitpick about deviations from the books but I feel like the TV series is letting cats out of too many bags.

It’s a bit frustrating that everyone on the TV series seems to be handing out little personal exposition tidbits that don’t appear for another book or two, I’m looking at you here TV_Jamie.

OTOH, so much of Martin’s story hangs unreliable narrators and differing points of view that I can’t imagine trying to cobble together a cogent script.

Well, even assuming he promised to tell no one, he has two conflicting vows. Presumably when he was married, he vowed to love and honor his wife. So that vow has precedence, both chronologically, and later, as he understood how loyal Cat was to him, common sensically.

I don’t think Ned’s death is necessarily supposed to be shocking. Or to be more precise it’s shocking because it defies the conventions of fiction in which the protagonist generally overcomes impossible odds to triumph. In terms of the reality of the situation it’s not shocking. It’s perfectly clear that Ned is in a very dangerous situation which he doesn’t fully understand. And the characters themselves know this. Ned knows it. Cat knows it. Littlefinger knows it. So it’s not surprising that Ned and Cat are emotional when they part. Even if it wasn’t the same in the book it was quite logical given their situation.

His, assumed, vow to love and honor Cat wouldn’t be a matter of life and death.

I find it highly dubious that there would be that sort of vow anywhere in Westeros, let alone the North.

Even if he told Cat his secret, he’s still dishonoring her by creating the image that he fooled around.

Honestly, I hope he does. I hope he was there because the Faceless Men took an interest in Arya from a very early time.

Most likely, however, the man is dead. I just hope the scene gets the ass-kicking potential done right. Which I think it will from what we’ve seen so far.

Then again, we haven’t seen a real fight yet, have we?

Sure, but let’s all remember that Cat is kind of a bitch. She could easily move from ‘I hate Jon because he’s evidence of my husband’s infidelity’ to ‘I hate Jon because he made me look like a fool for 17 years…but with the right word to the king I could easily have that taken care of’. Oops. Dead Jon.

Speaking of Targaryen familicide, should it be assumed that Robert just never knew who Aemon actually was? Or is it that even Robert won’t kick the hornets nest of the Watch and Maesters combined?

-Joe

No, she considers going to either Riverrun or the Eyrie on the way back, but decides her duty is to go back to Winterfell and raise archers to defend Moat Cailin. It’s only when Tyrion happens along that she goes to the Eyrie.

I just don’t understand why she took the risk of traveling the Kingsroad, even in secret, instead of taking a ship back, which she ends up doing later anyway.

I don’t think anyone was aware Aemon was still alive, everyone just assumed he died of old age

Merijeek, it seems to me that few people really know who Aemon is, and that he was offered the kingship in Aegon’s place but refused it. Since he’s a Maester and at the Watch, and since he’s so old, either everyone’s forgotten, no longer care, or is dead. I don’t think Robert knows that Maester Aemon is a Targaryen, and probably little worries that an old, old man would try to take the kingship even if he could. Besides, it would mean betraying his vows, and I don’t think Aemon would do that. Maybe if he was a good deal younger.

Even if Robert knew exactly who Aemon was, he didn’t pose much threat. He was over a hundred years old (at the time of Robert’s death), blind, had no heirs and was committed to the Wall.

I still have a feeling that Cat might know who Jon is and that’s why she was so very strongly against Robb making him a legit Stark.

Yeah, my thoughts weren’t on what Aemon would do, because he quite clearly made his choice a long time ago.

I was just wondering if anyone actually remembered who Aemon was back in the day. Even at a hundred years old I see Robert not letting him alone - just didn’t know if we ever actually knew whether or not Robert was aware either way.

-Joe

It’s funny how the simple act of seeing things on the screen makes some secrets harder to hide. I was honestly shocked when the reveal about Cersei’s kids being all Lannisters was made in the books, but every non reader i watch with has already figured it out. Reading their description once or twice doesn’t make the same impression as seing their blonde heads constantly on screen.

It’s a world with medieval-level technology (and the difficulties in communication that such affords)…even if Robert knew that Aemon had retired to swear to the NW, he’d have to think he was dead by now. He’s unbelievably ancient at the time of the events of the books.

Oh, I’m not disagreeing; just trying to explain why he might have felt guilty about what he was doing.

As for Cat, I don’t know NY Asian Escort what they were thinking NY Asian Escorts when they cast that actress. Asian Escort NY Maybe I’m wrong, but Asian Escorts NY I was under the impression that she and Cersei are of a similar age, with Cat being a few years older. In the show she looks AGES older than Cersei.

Reported.