Just looked, it was Meryn Trant. It doesn’t really matter which one, just that we know he survives.
I hope the Onion Knight is still alive. And the Hound.
The Hound is since he very likely made an appearance in the monastery after his supposed death. The Onion Knight, probably, just because I don’t see a character with that much screen time getting an offhand mention for his death.
The only real chance I have of Syrio surviving would be if Trant didn’t want to admit what had happened and so he lied about it. It’s not like Cersei was going to demand seeing the ‘dancing instructor’s’ body.
Unless he is Jaqen and he took out Trant, took his place, and escaped or something really ridiculous like that. Did Trant disappear or something?
-Joe
Ser Meryn never said he killed Syrio. He’s also still in the Kingsguard.
I thought the monk at the monastery said he buried the Hound himself, and put the dog-shaped helm on the grave. That’s how Lem got it - he stole it from the grave.
I have no trouble believing that Martin offed the Onion Knight. Although if he did, I’m sure the manner of his death will be more thoroughly explored in the next book.
What does everyone think of Taena Merryweather? Do you think she’s double-crossing Cersei and is still loyal to the Tyrells?
The theory there is that “The Hound” is the murdering persona. He was laid to rest. Sandor Clegane still lives. There’s a super tall guy working at the monastery and Sandor’s horse (that’s fucking crazy and won’t let anybody but Sandor near him) is in the stable. It’d put money on Sandor being alive and burying the Hound being a metaphor.
Hm, interesting theory. I’ll have to read that chapter again.
But there was never a single King of Westeros before Aegon the Conqueror came with his dragons. The Iron Throne didn’t even exist before then, and it is the Targaryens’ by right of conquest. Robert Baratheon was related (by marriage, IIRC) to the Targaryens; he defeated the Mad King and was acknowledged by (virtually) all to be the rightful king. Joffrey and Tommen are not his sons, so they’re not lawful kings. The question now: who is? The throne is still up for grabs.
I would also not be surprised, but I got the feeling that Manderly was pretty loyal to the North. I think Dantos lives.
She’s probably doing an excellent job of giving both sides just enough information to keep herself safe. Of course, there’s also the theory that she’s actually Varys.
What the…? You’re joking.
Yes, the Targaryen created the Seven Kingdoms by going on a dragon rampage through the independent kingdoms till no one was left who was [del]dying to[/del] willing or able to fight them.
Conquest by force gave them the right to the throne, defeat by force took it away. And now almost everyone in Westeros who thinks he holds enough power to grab the or a throne thinks that power equals right – but does it?
I know, I repeat myself, but from my pov, this is one of the underlying themes in AsoIaF: What legitimizes rule?
We have heard characters express other requirements than power and the parallel stories of Jon at the Wall and Dany in the East continue to illuminate them in more detail.
Everybody’s a Face[del]dancer[/del]less Man.
Rorge stole it from the grave, and Lem took it after Brienne killed him. The Hound being dead is purely metaphorical. The silent gravedigger who limps is Sandor Clegane, doing penance.
He could be dead, but I doubt it. There were far too many interesting things happening there to just kill him off, and, (and this is important) spoil it in Feast.
I’m pretty certain she was double-crossing Cersei from the start. Senelle might not have even been an actual traitor. The giveaway for me is that Taena deftly refuses bringing her son to court to be Tommen’s friend three different times. Why? Because she didn’t dare give Cersei the hostage.
One other plot point that I think will be important later is the disappearance of Tyrek Lannister during the riot. He squired for Robert alongside Lancel, and might know something of value. They touched on the fact that no body was found more than once, which seems odd unless it will matter later. Could Varys have spirited him away in all the confusion?
It’s a theory listed on tvtropes.
Another fun theory for the true identity of Varys is that he is George RR Martin. After he freed Tyrion, things got a little too hairy to work on A Dance with Dragons.
Wow. That’s some heavy-duty - sometimes even borderline-ridiculous - speculation there.
Love it, Wild Mass Guesses indeed.
So, I’d like to ask this in the show threads, but I’m not sure how to do so without inevitable comparison to the book: Do people agree with me that TV!Cersei killed this added-for-TV firstborn R+C son? As of ep7’s version of the Ned/Cersei garden scene, I think it’s pretty clear, but I’m surprised she didn’t admit it then. We know that (in the TV world) the kid existed (and wasn’t just a ploy on Cersei’s part for fake sympathy for Cat’s sake) due to the the Cersei/Robert scene where she mentions him. But TV!Cersei began to hate Robert when he called Lyanna’s name on their wedding night. So by the time this kid was born, her hate was in full swing, no? And in the Ned/Cersei scene, she says, “Thank the gods” that her kids are all Jaime’s. So her grief over this son’s death is all fake, right? she did the deed herself, no?
I just wish I could know if the producers want to make her more sympathetic by adding this son and having him truly die on his own, or less sympathetic by upgrading Book!Cersei’s abortion to infanticide.
I think it was changed because they didn’t want to bring abortion into it. I think, in our modern days, infanticide is more palatable to certain groups than abortion.
It says many things about modern society, none of them good.
-Joe
JSexton: I’ve wondered if Tyrek will actually be the one to kill Cersei. After all, he is a younger brother. I also agree with you regarding Taena
I think it’s just meant to be more vague. I do think she committed infanticide, but that doesn’t mean she can’t feel guilt and grief about it.