Guys, Y U no listen?

Are you nuts, inviting him up to your place? You could have been raped or killed. You’re lucky he was only an ass instead of psychotic.

Thank you. This is perfect. This should be printed out and turned into a pamphlet that we hand out to guys when they purport that they can’t tell if no means yes or not.

Uhh, I could be incredibly charming, or it could be that the guy is a major league dickhead.

Whatever, frigid bitch.

Oh my god! You were supposed to chase me! With your pants around your ankles, helicopter dicking the entire way.

Ok. Please just take this in a general context, not your specific situation. Why play hard to get in the first place?

Anyone can feel free to chime in too.

Just for the record, I don’t play hard to get because I’m not twelve years old. I would imagine others do it because it feeds their delicate egos to be chased or they were told by their Southern grandmothers that ladies aren’t supposed to be direct, and part of the proper way of being courted is to bat your eyelashes and be evasive.

Because as crazy as this sounds in the context of this discussion, some people are turned off by other people being completely accessible. Wait, not crazy at all, totally relevant to the OP! See, she might have given homie a second date if he had played it cool, called his cab, gave her a hug, left, and called her the next day like a normal person. Acting desperate can be kind of unattractive. Showing you can’t listen and have no respect for your date’s boundaries is an utter deal breaker.

I don’t believe in all of these dating rules about waiting x number of dates before you have sex or not calling before y number of days-- all of that playing hard to get game bullshit is nonsense to me. But I do think, on a practical level, you shouldn’t act too crazy too soon, no matter how many butterflies the person makes flutter in your stomach. Alternatively, you could also just never be crazy, but I realize that’s asking a lot of most people. :slight_smile:

Seriously, I don’t consciously play any games or try to act hard to get. If I feel like kissing you, I’ll kiss you. If I want to go out, I’ll call you. If I want to text and say hi to you, I will. I’m not counting any days or following any rules. I think MOST women nowadays are like this, too. If you feel like a woman isn’t being up front. . . why are you dating her anyway?

Also, just because you don’t want to bone on the first date doesn’t mean you’re playing hard to get. Fully upfront, normal people want to get to know each other before sexing, which has nothing to do with coyness or games.

Taking one’s time to get to know another person before jumping into bed with them isn’t “playing” or any version of a game. It’s being cautious and prudent. The phrase “playing hard to get” is outdated and implies a sense of entitlement and obligation. Do you have sex with every single person you find sexually appealing? Or do you conduct yourself with some scruples and pick and choose who you bed?

The funny thing is, when somebody says “Why don’t women just tell me what they want and stop playing games!!” and then she tells them what she wants, which is “not to have sex”, it’s suddenly “Why is she playing hard to get?!?”

ETA: It seems the “game” being played is “how can I turn a ‘no’ into a ‘maybe’?”

No, I don’t. Yes, I do.

This plus signals!!1! is pretty bizarre. We’re nice, they think we’re leading them on. We tell them yes, we’re sluts. We tell them we want to wait, we’re playing games. We tell them no, we must mean yes.

Wonder if they’ll ever cease searching the internet for that pussy cheat code and actually listen to our words?

A gal can’t win!

Do you not possess a telephone?

No, I do not.

This used to happen all the time before cel phones were invented.

You have no means of placing a phone call from your apartment? What year do you live in? 1910?

You asked a stupid question, so I gave you a stupid answer. Any other asinine questions you wanna ask me?

Three things. One, having already admitted that she made a mistake by extending a courtesy to someone she’d just spent hours talking to and was somewhat comfortable with, she assumed she’d be safe and the wishes she very clearly stated respected. She waited him out, hoping he’d do the right thing and honor her wishes.

Two, every single one of us girls on here has shared at least one bad experience with telling a guy no. They cuss us, they menace, they stalk, they threaten, and we aren’t playing around when we say that we’ve seen normal guys go completely rapistserialkiller mad when we aggressively tell them to back the fuck off. She wanted him to leave, she didn’t want to swell up and attempt to bully him out of her home because that could rapidly backfire.

And three: uh unh, you guys don’t get to flip this one. We tell you that men scare us, the MRA brigade shows up to roll eyes and tell us that all men aren’t rapists and that we are obligated as human beings to regard all men as the safe, harmless, trustworthy creatures they truly are.

So you’d better pick a routine and stick to it here. Which is it? Should MeanOldLady have extended a common courtesy to a fellow human being regardless of his ownership of testes? Or should she have regarded him as a potential rapist and pepper sprayed the bejeezus out of him the moment he pawed her?

Or how bout we don’t blame anyone but the guy who attempted to persuade MOL into doing something she explicitly stated she wasn’t going to do. The date went a little sideways when she attempted to be nice to a new friend. It didn’t escalate nor did it need to. She’s venting. It ain’t no big deal.

I think things would be a lot easier if people didn’t use words like slut or whore or anything like that.