Heroes 11/05/07 - "Out of Time" (SPOILERS)

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Because there has been completely zero build-up to such a revelation? And Heroes does not have plot-points come out of nowhere?
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But Bob made a very clear point that, because Maury had certain abilities, then Matt also had them, for sure. He seemed to know this and be adamant about it. I think this fact is supposed to be pointing towards people who are related having the same powers, even though we haven’t seen that occurring before this season. I have a hard time believing, all of a sudden, just in this season, three times we have duplicate powers showing up. In one case, the people with the same power are definitely related. Is it so hard to think that might indicate that the other people with duplicate powers are also related?

Of course, maybe they’re not. I have no idea. DL/Niki/Micah don’t have related powers, and Nathan/Peter don’t either, so who knows where they’re going with this?

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Because there has been completely zero build-up to such a revelation? And Heroes does not have plot-points come out of nowhere?
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Was there any buildup before the reveal of her affair with Hiro’s father?

And while Peter is not my cup of tea, I think the Irish lass is a good deal for us straight folk.

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[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
But Bob made a very clear point that, because Maury had certain abilities, then Matt also had them, for sure. He seemed to know this and be adamant about it. I think this fact is supposed to be pointing towards people who are related having the same powers, even though we haven’t seen that occurring before this season. I have a hard time believing, all of a sudden, just in this season, three times we have duplicate powers showing up. In one case, the people with the same power are definitely related. Is it so hard to think that might indicate that the other people with duplicate powers are also related?
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Bob was very clear that Maury and Matt had the same power, and so could do the same thing. He did not say that Matt could do the same thing because he was Maury’s son.

We knew in the first season that powers repeated. Claude had met another “empath” before Peter, and told Peter as much. We know of one instance in which a power was inherited. Only one.

We have many instances in which powers were not inherited. DL, Niki, Micah – all different powers. Nathan, Peter, Angela*, Claire, Claire’s mom – all different powers (although Nathan’s dad’s power could match someone’s I guess). Kaito’s power is presumably different from Hiro’s, though we don’t really know for sure what Kaito did. Lightning Girl Veronica Mars seems to be Bob’s daughter – and they have different powers.

We only have four duplicate powers: Maury & Matt, Peter & the other empath we never met, Nathan & West, and Claire & Kensei/Adam. Too soon to tell if Adam is related to the families he’s trying to destroy, but it seems unlikely. We have no indication that West is related to any of the others – and he surely won’t end up being related to Nathan after they showed him making out with Nathan’s daughter. The other empath might turn out to be Papa Petrelli – but you’d think Angela or someone would’ve mentioned that to Peter at some point when he was freaking out about his powers last season.

Leaving one instance of inherited, duplicate powers. Not enough to leap to conclusions that everyone with duplicate powers must be related somehow.

[QUOTE=Justin_Bailey]
Was there any buildup before the reveal of her affair with Hiro’s father?
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We knew that they knew each other before the fling was revealed to us. So, yes.
Also, they shared at least one flashback scene last season on the Blue Roof of Sadness; I’d have to re-watch to see if they had the vibe going even then.

[QUOTE=Otto]
Any future that includes Peter naked and wet can’t be all bad.
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Heh. I did snicker when they found yet another reason to make Milo take his shirt off. Not quite as goofy as Enterprise and that scene where they had to strip down to underwear and rub gel all over each other. But the season isn’t over yet – there’s still hope, I guess.

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The paintings: The one that is supposed to be Mohinder – looked nothing like him to me, am I wrong? And I suppose it really isn’t going to help us piece together any story, it’s just him pointing a gun, looking enraged.

One painting was just a vial, we may have already seen this, but maybe there is some future importance to it too.

What else? HRG shot (dead?) while a girl and boy are smooching in the background (the assumption is Claire and West).

I don’t remember the rest, and haven’t gone looking, I’m sure there on the internet somewhere.

Did Peter have any contact with Linderman last season? Because, if he absorbed the power to heal others, everybody should be looking for him.

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Not quite as goofy as Enterprise and that scene where they had to strip down to underwear and rub gel all over each other.
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That was almost literally the only thing that got me to tune in to episode two. If there’d been a gel-rubbing scene every week I wouldn’t have dropped out after the fourth show.

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Okay the paintings are Here

Others are Claire crumpled on the steps,

Hiro and Kensei swordfight

Blonde girl banging on a wall/door/flat vertical surface.

Man with a scar in a cell (assume Peter – remember Hiro saying something about “You look different without the scar…”)

All-in-all, I don’t think we can divine the rest of the story here. What good is this stupid painting ability if we can’t figure it out ahead of time (I know, plot device).

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Bob was very clear that Maury and Matt had the same power, and so could do the same thing. He did not say that Matt could do the same thing because he was Maury’s son.
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Why was he so sure they had the same power? Matt never demonstrated any power other than reading minds, until he was able to get himself and Nathan out of the nightmare, which Bob didn’t know about (did he?).

This is true, but the way duplicate abilities are cropping up, that makes me think it’ll be addressed in the plot somehow. At least, I hope it is. Because these duplicate powers are pretty lame otherwise.

Yeah, that would be creepy, but maybe they are distantly related. If Kensai has been walking the Earth for centuries, who knows how many of his spawn are out there? He might be the ancestor of ALL the original Superfriends in that picture that he’s trying to off. It’s possible.

Why? I think Angela keeps info to herself unless it suits her. Nathan found out from Linderman that Papa P had powers, but Peter was well on his way with his powers by then. We never did find out what Papa P could do or if it was relevant.

It just leaves me wondering why, all of a sudden, we’re seeing so many duplicates this season. It seems to be pointing to some link, which I hope there is, and that it’s not too creepy for Claire/West.

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[QUOTE=Yeeter]
Okay the paintings are Here
Man with a scar in a cell (assume Peter – remember Hiro saying something about “You look different without the scar…”)

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They showed this painting more clearly in this episode. They also showed the actual scene the painting is supposed to depict: Peter in the future looking through glass into a warehouse full of body bags.

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Missed the edit window on this.

They’ve already shown four (possibly five) out of the eight paintings:
[ol]
[li]Kaito Nakamura’s death[/li][li]Claire “dead” on the steps[/li][li]Peter in the future[/li][li]Hiro & Kensei fighting[/li][li]Hand holding a vial [possibly][/li][/ol]

And the painting of a man holding a smoking gun is clearly Mohinder - right down to the bandage on the nose.

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Interesting that the painting of Peter looking through the glass at the bodies shows him with a scar. Isaac’s paintings of season two seem to assume that New York was destroyed in season one.

Just a quick question about the two scars that West and Parkman are marked with; for some reason I convinced myself that the “tracking device” that the Company had was Molly - that the scars don’t matter anymore (though why Molly would need this to find someone, I don’t know!) So… do we know anything more about these?

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I don’t know if this has been pointed out already, but I just realized it. At some point, Peter must have been around Elle. He used her power on Adam/Kensei at the end of tonight’s episode.

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[QUOTE=Yeeter]
Blonde girl banging on a wall/door/flat vertical surface.
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I wonder if this was Niki breaking down Bob’s door.

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We also saw Nikki pounding on the door. Putting her fist through it in fact. All that is left is Mohinder with the gun and Noah’s bloody eye. And possibly the vial, although I think that was when Mohinder and Nikki were getting the virus before she got her brain grabbed.

mnemosyne, Molly was their second system. They originally had a satellite. It was trashed in the comics.

Dante, we already knew that, he used it on his first appearance this season in the shipping container. He blasted one of the smugglers with the lightning when they first found him.

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[QUOTE=mnemosyne]
Just a quick question about the two scars that West and Parkman are marked with; for some reason I convinced myself that the “tracking device” that the Company had was Molly - that the scars don’t matter anymore (though why Molly would need this to find someone, I don’t know!) So… do we know anything more about these?
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That was the Old Skool method they used to keep track of people with abilities: tag 'em and release 'em back into the wild. Somewhere in the middle of season one, Molly fell into their hands after being found by Parkman. They started using her as their new “system”, but the old one still existed. Kinda like new software getting released, but you still support and maintain the old one for a while.

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Hmmm. The painting of Hiro fighting Kensai shows Hiro wearing glasses. Hiro wasn’t wearing glasses when he fought Kensai in this episode, however.

Nice how they bring it back around to “Save the cheerleader, save the world”; turns out she’ll save the world by somehow containing/destroying the virus, it seems.

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Seems to me that Niki in the painting is pounding on a metal surface, not the Bob’s wooden door.

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To myself: :smack: Oh well DUHHHHH Sara! :smack: :smack:

Well now I feel plain silly for having posted my theory, hehe.

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[QUOTE=Cuckoorex]
Hmmm. The painting of Hiro fighting Kensai shows Hiro wearing glasses. Hiro wasn’t wearing glasses when he fought Kensai in this episode, however.
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Maybe Hiro will fight Kensai later. The paintings are supposed to be of the future. Hiro so far only fought Kensai in the past.

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[QUOTE=Lakai]
Maybe Hiro will fight Kensai later. The paintings are supposed to be of the future. Hiro so far only fought Kensai in the past.
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In the painting, Kensei/Adam is in medieval armor, I can’t imagine him putting it on again to fight Hiro. I think the glasses are a continuity mistake. (what would you call a mistake made in the visual arts? A “painto”?)

Two bits says that Elle is Adam’s daughter, not Bob’s.

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Timeline question. In the Future, the Supervisor told Peter that the first cases of the virus were reported in March of 2007. I figured “Okay, there’s a benchmark”, but then two of the newly discovered paintings are dated June and July. Now I wish I’d paid more attention to the dates they start each show with. Or is this just another continuity mangle?