Heroes 9/22

I believe there was a Hiro scene in a previous season where it was established that time was not frozen but just going very very slow.

They also seem to have replaced Peter with him as “obligatory shirtless man”. We’ll have to do a search and replace in the drinking game.

Yes! It was awesome seeing Veronica and Weevil reunited. And Weevil is looking much better, I guess he’s gotten over whatever medical problem had made him puff up for a few months back during VM.

I think it really is Ando, but that scene was really ambiguous. I don’t think it was a betrayal, but merely a difference of opinion over what was the right thing to do in some situation we don’t know enough about yet. Ando in that scene seemed to think Hiro was in the wrong just as much Hiro seemed to think he was being betrayed. And it wasn’t clear whether Hiro was really killed or just incapacitated.

I definitely got a horror movie vibe, though I was thinking more of Scream.

Did anyone bother watching the recap special at 8?

I’m a bit confused about how Nathan was healed, and the nature of Linderman. Cool that we got Mama Petrelli’s powers sorted out. The brain eating reference was classic. And I loved…

“Why are you talking to a turtle?”

Err, the scene with Mohinder hanging upside down then crawling up the wall was lifted right from the fly. So was the scene with him finding something on his back after looking in the mirror and washing his face. Even the dialogue.

Heroes really turned out to be a one season wonder didn’t it?

I mean, I liked the premiere, but I have my doubts that Heroes will ever grab me like it did in season 1. And now Sylar can’t die! Fuck!

First Hiro refuses to go back to save his father, then Future Peter realizes he’s screwing up everything when he goes back four years to plug Nathan. I hope this means they’re killing off the time travel aspect of the show, which has always brought with it the most confusion. I love a good time traveling story, but when a character basically has infinite resets it obviously takes away some of the tension.

I’m not sure I understand what Hiro’s plan was with the formula/medal swap.

Sprint has more bars in the Serengeti? Who knew! :smiley:

Nope. Hoopla says it all.

I thought they were over-emphasizing the “campiness” just a tad in the premiere but liked it overall. And I think they are sacrificing Sylar’s scare factor in order to give him great one-liners. But “picky-picky,” I am still hooked.

I’m still amazed that speedGirl knew EXACTLY when Hiro would have that bit of paper in his hand.

Everything else, I can kinda deal with - but that kind of timing is borderline :rolleyes:

Nathan healed due to the magical Claire blood he had in his system.

Doesn’t Peter now have all 4 of those bad guy powers? Why doesn’t he go ahead and stop them? And I really dont like the mirror effect - disjointing. What happened to the guy who’s body he’s in?

Sylar stated that he had lost all of his extra powers - yet he still has TK?

I guess I’m the dissenting voice here, because everything just felt so… contrived. Just about everyone behaved completely out of character when it was necessary to move the plot forward - Suresh going all ga-ga over the idea of superpowers? Maya jumping his bones for some freakazoid super-sex? Clare having a meltdown because she can’t feel pain any more? Hiro waving around the super-secret-OMG-protect-with-your-life formula like it’s no more important than his cell phone bill and then bumbling around worse than Inspector Clouseau whilst trying to recover it?

Don’t even get me started on Petrelli’s pseudo-Christian revelation… I mean, seriously? GOD? The Second Coming? Gag me with a spoon.

As far as I’m concerned, this doesn’t bode well at all.

And also… The villian w/ the blue-flame hands is Herc from The Wire.

The show is a real wheel spinner at this point.

First, yet another disaster. I wish that they’d finally let one of these world changing events happen and let us see the characters deal with the consequences rather than tease and anticlimax. Does anyone really think at this point that they’re going to have an over the counter superhero drug? Admittedly there’s no way they can let Hiro’s gray goo come to pass since there wouldn’t be a show left after that but it’s time things were shaken up a bit more than just pushing characters around.

Easy predictions for the next season:

  • Niki was a cloning project.
  • Ando and Hiro stage their confrontation for past Hiro’s benefit.
  • “Linderman” is actually Parkman.
  • After transforming into a monster Suresh develops a cure for himself. Naturally this cure will only be used for “dramatic” scenes and not in situations where it would logically make sense to use it.
  • The guy who thinks he’s Peter isn’t; Peter escaped and left him brainwashed.
  • Even with numerous opportunities to neutralize the serial killer whose power is to figure out systems and adapt to them thus making him obviously dangerous under any circumstances no one will do things like fill Sylar’s digestive tract with lead, encase him in concrete, and dump him into the Marianas Trench. Instead he escapes the mental control he’s under and goes on another rampage.
  • Claire, Hiro, and Peter will constantly forget about the fact that they have incredibly convenient powers that drain dramatic tension from any scene and replace it with viewers screaming “Why don’t you resurrect him/time travel/pull a new deus ex machina out of your ass?!”
  • Despite the fact that most the characters use their abilities in public, in front of cameras, in the middle of crowds, and in ways that no one should be able to ignore their existence somehow the public doesn’t realize anything is happening.

That’s who Mr. Hinkley was. I was trying to figure that out.

I thought Peter healed him. After all, Linderman has been to the Petrelli household. I’m sure Peter’s been exposed to him longer and more often than DL.

I figured Future Peter was using a variation of Parkman’s mental powers. We know that Daddy Evil Parkman can trap people within their own minds. Why not trap them in other people’s minds? The big question is: Where is Present Peter’s body?

Overall - I thought it was a good couple of episodes. I think they learned their lessons from last season. You don’t need to go slow, if the audience already knows the characters.

Geez, I don’t want Heroes to be a soap opera plot, where you can skip a few months and still know what’s going on… but for crying out loud, I went in the other room during a commercial and came back late and was already confused about what was going on!

It’s not worth my time and effort watch Heroes anymore. It’s just… too much stuff. Not to mention

  1. what fun is a villain who’s indestructible?
  2. All the time traveling makes for a boring show to me. “Oh, I don’t like how this turned out? I’ll just go back in time and change something.” or the now evident plot line multiple versions of a person in the same space-time continuum (note my clever Back to the Future reference). I have an idea I’m going to have several future versions of my good self come back and fight several versions of my bad self. :o
  3. Did I really just learn that Mama Petrelli is also related to Sylar. Oh fer cryin out loud! Do any of the Petrelli clan know how to keep their pants on?
  4. insert your own yawn inducing moment or WFT moment here.

There were some bits that were painful to watch in that sympathetically embarrasing way – the YouTube winners of bestest Hero fans, the stupid make-your-own-Hero-for-online-hijinks stuff. It was mainly series stars doing set-ups of clip summaries. And, for once, the stars didn’t seem blitzed as is usually the case on these “we’ll film the tv stars at a party for their show” dealios.

There were some “spoiler” clips for this season – most of which showed up in the two following episodes. All I remember not covered was:

[spoiler]- the kid who plays Micah was on, so he’s apparently still in the plotline this season. no sign of his cousin, nor of Nichelle Nichols, though.

  • the latter, despite a montage summarizing Star Trek associations with Heroes. which does not bode well for Grandma Uhura.
  • there was a spoiler scene where Mama Petrelli brings in a woman with object-reading powers to “feed” Sylar. so much for his “no brains” diet.[/spoiler]

Ah. I see all the same complaints about Heroes are already being posted again.

I think I remember being this confused when the show started, and totally sucked in as the secrets unfolded. I am hopeful for this season.

However, there are many things they could screw up…

  • Having Hiro (again!) or Matt Parkman stuck on some sub-plot that detracts from the story.
  • Nobody is who we think they are - Peter/Trapped Sylar/Ando/whoever is really a new race of shapeshifters! This could be done low-key, say a Linderman clone manipulating Nathan, but more than one of these would be a cheat
  • Anything involving Nikki/Tracey/whoever - I find her plots to be the worst of the show
  • Having any kids as heroes. I don’t enjoy children on this show, and was happy to hear Mohinder say he shipped that little girl off to Timbuktoo
  • Any more “saucy young girl” heroes. Yuck. I was sick of Veronica Mars last season, and Sppedster is just as irritating.

All in all, I’m excited!

Except I was unhappy to see that William Katt was gone so quickly. I was looking forward to seeing him act again :frowning:

Seconded.

Yes, I really fail to understand why people who so obviously detest the show continue to watch it.

I guess I’m a victim of my own high hopes – I thought it was very poorly written.
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[li]Future Peter is shown fleeing on foot from somebody - he can teleport, is nearly (or, as it turns out, totally?) invulnerable, can stop time, has super strength, and can fly. How does it make sense for him to run, other than going back to the “Peter has a very low IQ” explanation?[/li][li]Future Claire confronts Future Peter with a handgun, despite knowing that he can stop time, avoid bullets, pull the gun out of her hand with telekinesis, and, in any case, survive being shot quite easily.[/li][li]Future Peter decides that the only way to stop his future from happening is to go back in time to the exact moment of Nathan’s revelation and *shoot *him. As opposed to, say, going back an hour or two before that and telling him it’s a bad idea.[/li][li]Future Peter stashes his gun on a shelf, despite the fact that he could easily have teleported it into the Pacific Ocean.[/li][li]Present Peter watches his brother die over a period of time that is so long it requires a montage. As opposed to, say, teleporting to California, grabbing Claire, teleporting back, and healing him with her blood.[/li][li]Future Peter, despite seeing and *acknowledging *repeated instances of his meddling screwing up everything, continues to meddle.[/li][li]The doomsday formula is on two pieces of paper, each kept by a guardian, so that it will never fall into the wrong hands. As opposed to, say, ***burned ***.[/li][li]Sylar, despite having super hearing, cannot tell that Claire is in a linen closet right next to him and, despite having telekinesis with fine enough control to neatly remove the top of someone’s cranium and powerful enough to pick up and throw full-grown human beings, cannot seem to open said linen closet door to take a peek.[/li][li]The African Guy is dismayed to see Parkman, because it means “the future will not be as [he] painted it,” when the future he painted shows the earth shattering.[/li][/ul]

It seems to me like they write this show and shoot it from the first draft, without even re-reading it. No one has any ability to consider the ramifications of any character’s powers (particularly Peter and Hiro’s). And the “two pieces of the formula” MacGuffin is very very weak writing.

I thought last season started weakly and got better about halfway through the abbreviated run. But last season’s weaknesses were more tonal than logical and, at least mostly, addressed by later episodes. I fail to see how they can write themselves out of this kind of sloppiness.

Ere I get lumped in with those who detest the show, I have to say that I like it in principle, but can’t easily excuse what I’ve seen thus far. Some of it is compelling, some of the acting is decent (mostly the guest stars, unfortunately), and some is fun. I’m losing patience with the attitude of the writers, which increasingly seems to be that “superheroes and comics are stupid, so this show can be stupid, too.”

Especially since Doc Brund… uh, I mean Mohinder already discovered and synthesized it in his own.

Was it ever said by Hiro’s father that the formula WAS a chemical that will give superpowers? I thought he just said it would destroy the world.

Couple things here:

  1. Future Peter is fleeing on foot so that Present Peter will follow him. That is because
  2. Present Peter is gone from the moment he catches up with Future Peter in the bathroom. That is Present Peter who is watching his brother die – as noted by Mama Petrelli, who mentions she knows he talked to Claire (in the ambulance). Presumably, Future Peter is the one who healed Nathan.
  3. We do not know that Sylar has any of his abilities left other than his original and the telekinesis – he alludes to this while with Claire.