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Actually, I’m referring to the opening sequence, not the chase after the shooting.
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(I’m assuming you mean it’s Future Peter in the ambulance, right?) I totally missed that one. Point taken. I assume he healed him by accident, either way. For some reason, I had it in my head that Future Peter replaced Present Peter after Nathan’s revival (no pun intended.)
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True, the hearing is not specifically mentioned. However his inability to open a linen closet is still rather difficult to rationalize. I mean, I could open that closet with my hand and Sylar has demonstrated ample physical strength even absent his superpowers (killing Allejandro, killing the guy who was going to call the cops on Allejandro and Maya, etc.) Maybe he doesn’t know she’s in there, but he certainly seems to – doesn’t he talk to her through the door while browsing the files?
It is not so much that, as that the complaints are continually about things we know damn well are going to keep on happening.
“Oh, it’s like a soap opera!” “Oh, more time travel crap!” “Oh, the characters are too powerful!”
Well, duh. That’s what Heroes is like. It is not going to change because some random person on the Internet wants it to be like their Platonic Ideal of a superhero show. They’ve got their formula; like any other tv show that becomes popular, we may expect only more – much more – of the same.
Which makes posts to the effect of “Oh, I wish Heroes was [some other thing]” particularly pointless in threads where people are interested in discussing what the show is actually doing.
Whoops wrong sci-fi show…but then again it highlight how somthing that works on basic (ad-sponsored) cable, can be repacked, claimed to be “new” sold to a broadcast network, and we all watch it.
Someone on Tim Kring’s writing staff aught to google “The 4400”
People from the future trying to come back to the past and a drug that gives anyone powers. I can’t wait for Mohinder to come up with a name for the drug…Maybe “Promicin ™”
But since I liked it them, maybe I will still like it with a better special effect budget and some more wooden acting (ie Milo…it isn’t Peter who is dumb, it is just that you can’t give anything smart to such a blank, slate)
Amazing thing, the internet. We all get to have our say.
Perhaps a good thread for you to start would be, “How about some love for Heroes? (Please no criticism of the show’s weaknesses.)”
And to address the “too powerful” whinge, can we just point out several things.
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Superman had his own show for years. Superman. Mr. “I Can Do Everything” himself.
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The writers, instead of giving just letting them muddle along again, have given us a plethora of baddies this year. So instead of “with all our power we can barely stop ONE GUY”, we actually have things that are worthy of superheroics.
Speaking of the plethora, what is it with Twelve in superhero stories?
The Founders? Twelve.
How many guys does Apocalypse need in the late nineties? Twelve.
How many escaped villains this season? Twelve.
Oh, and while I’m at it, can we deal with the fact that the Petrellis are to this universe as the Summers-Grey family are to the X-universe. Everything ever seems to somehow relate back to them. Literally.
All the bad has already been mentioned (Why is Peter running away from cops with guns in the first place? Forget teleportation; couldn’t he just flick them away? Are they really going to rip off The 4400 AND The Fly in the same subplot?)
So I’ll focus on the good:
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[li] Marlo and Herc from The Wire. SO delighted to see those actors getting roles, as they were all excellent. I also saw Bubbles’ name in the credits, but did not see him. However, he was not the guy in the desert - that actor I recognized from The Riches.[/li][li] Trippy speedy-girl time stopped bubbly f/x[/li][li] Jessica, as much as I’m not a fan, freezing the Greatest American Hero. A great shock.[/li][li] Alchemist getting killed. Rather telegraphed with the whole chair scene, (although I thought Sylar would be sitting there), but any time they’re willing to kill off one of the way-too-many characters, I perk up.[/li][/ul]
So, Sylar sticks his finger in a certain part of his victims’ brains and absorbs their power? Or was he doing that to prevent Claire from feeling pain for some reason?
I think if one thing is evident in this series, it’s that while Peter may always be acting with the best of intentions, he really isn’t the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
On some of your points:
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[li]Future Claire confronts Future Peter with a handgun, despite knowing that he can stop time, avoid bullets, pull the gun out of her hand with telekinesis, and, in any case, survive being shot quite easily.[/li][/QUOTE]
If she were to shoot him in the head, as Adam said, “there’s no coming back from that one.” I would assume that Adam had seen this happen sometime in the last 400 years.
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[li]Future Peter stashes his gun on a shelf, despite the fact that he could easily have teleported it into the Pacific Ocean.[/li][/QUOTE]
I haven’t seen evidence the teleportation power works like that. If he were to do that, he would have had to TP to the pacific, and there goes the ability to do the switcheroo that he wanted to do.
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[li]Present Peter watches his brother die over a period of time that is so long it requires a montage. As opposed to, say, teleporting to California, grabbing Claire, teleporting back, and healing him with her blood.[/li][/QUOTE]
That was Future Peter.
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[li]Future Peter, despite seeing and *acknowledging *repeated instances of his meddling screwing up everything, continues to meddle.[/li][/QUOTE]
He dug himself a hole, now he’s trying to dig his way out. Unfortunately for him, that rarely works out.
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[li]The doomsday formula is on two pieces of paper, each kept by a guardian, so that it will never fall into the wrong hands. As opposed to, say, ***burned ***.[/li][/QUOTE]
And Goldfinger straps 007 to a table to be bisected by a laser, rather than shooting him. The formula is a MacGuffin.
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[li]Sylar, despite having super hearing, cannot tell that Claire is in a linen closet right next to him and, despite having telekinesis with fine enough control to neatly remove the top of someone’s cranium and powerful enough to pick up and throw full-grown human beings, cannot seem to open said linen closet door to take a peek.[/li][/QUOTE]
I think he knows she was in there. When he does his surgery, he seems to look closely, and traces his cut with his finger. I would assume fine control is difficult. Of course, blowing the closet doors off their hinges is a different matter entirely…
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[li]The African Guy is dismayed to see Parkman, because it means “the future will not be as [he] painted it,” when the future he painted shows the earth shattering.[/li][/QUOTE]
Is that the only painting he had done? That’s the only one we’ve seen. I would infer that he has other paintings on random rocks all over the savanna. I would really hate to waste screen time having to see Parkman stumble around more than necessary.
I am surprised by some of the nitpicking I’ve seen so far. I was expecting more complaints regarding how Sylar could find Clair so quickly or how every painting appears to have been done by the same artist.
He teleported Parkman to Africa w/o having to TP there himself.
D’oh!
ETA: That, of course, is indicative of how I don’t really think about Heroes. I look at it like Doctor Who. Don’t think about it, you’ll hurt your brane. Just watch it and have fun.
They’re not ripping off other shows - they’re homages. 
(I actually do think that is the intention of the writers. We’re supposed to recognize familiar elements, and we do.)
One problem I’m having is with the Claire arc - yeah, you might be immortal, and you don’t feel pain any longer, but you’re 18 years old - how about waiting a couple more centuries before you get all angsty about living too long? As for trying to off yourself - what if it WORKS, you ninny?
To whom? And Peter can can stop time in any event. She can’t, reasonably, expect a handgun to be the slightest threat to him, and he certainly shouldn’t be afraid of it. He’s had four years of dodging the authorities and their bullets.
Not really the same thing. Goldfinger is expecting Bond to die, and there’s no real indication he’s not planning on making sure it happens. In any event, what is the motivation behind not destroying the Formula Man Was Not Meant to Know? Are we to believe that the older generation of Heroes are really this dumb? (Though if Hiro and Peter are any indication … )
Well, I’m with you on not wanting to see more wandering Parkman, but it’s the only painting we’ve actually seen.
I don’t mind Sylar finding Claire – he’s got a lot of powers at his disposal that could explain that, and probably some we don’t know about. I’ll give them a lot of slack on things we don’t see, but it’s a lot harder to do that on things we do see that make no sense. The art thing works for me, though recycling the prophetic artist power is a little bit disappointing.
See, I wouldn’t complain if the show was consistently, predictably sticking to the very “rules” it has established to date. I’m pretty good at accepting ridiculous premises at face value if the show itself is entertaining (which is why I have nothing but love for Season 1).
Problem is, they’re starting to contradict themselves not just from one episode to the next, but within the episodes themselves. Characters don’t behave consistently, the nature of their powers shifts as needed to suit the plot, and on and on it goes.
Given that Kring himself publicly apologized for the last season, and then promised that this season would be better… can you blame people for being annoyed that the premiere seems to just be more of the same dreck they served in Season 2?
At the very beginning of the show, when Mama Petrelli pulled out the tube in Sylar’s nose and left that woman in the room with him, was she sacrificing her? The screams were hers as Sylar cut open her head, right?
Gosh, we do get to have our say? It’s almost as if I was having my say. Funny thing, this Internet.
Perhaps you could take a moment and actually read my post. Wherein I said nothing about “no criticism of the show’s weaknesses”. Discussing the show’s weaknesses would be appropriate for a discussion thread about the show.
Making up random requirements about what people wish the show is? Not so much. Have fun with that thread. I might even stop by.
Actually, I think we see the same painting when Mohinder is down on the docks. The camera panned by it, paused significantly… I was almost expecting a “dun-dun-dunn!” sound effect.
Didn’t Mohinder see the exact same painting as the smaller one on the rock on the side of a building in NYC? Or future Peter, or maybe future Hiro…I can’t remember now, but I distinctly remember already having seen the “exploding Earth” rock painting earlier in the episode on the side of a building.
Because I really, really want to like it.
There are visual moments that make me sit up and think “cool,” there are snippets of storylines that could head to an interesting place, there are ideas that could make great television if explored correctly. So I watch hoping that this week the writers and showrunners will get through their growing pains (which many shows have)…and instead I end up slightly frustrated because the show is not living up to its potential and knowing how many things could have been fixed with just a little more attention to detail, pacing, and plot.
Sylar is a watchmaker. He digs around in their brains to see how their brain works, how it is put together. He’s looking for what’s different in his victims’ brains. He then rearranges his own to be like the ones he’s examined.
That’s one of the cool ideas.
Ditto.
I set the TiVo, “just in case,” sort of watched the pre-show, and watched every minute of the two-hour premiere, with the hope that it would somehow start getting better. But, aside from some nice Sylar bits and the “Nathan walks out of the hospital behind the newscaster” scene, it just didn’t.
I doubt I’ll watch the rest of the season until it’s collected in a DVD set.
And I apologize, Lightray, for my snarky tone earlier about getting my own say, but it did sound an awful lot like you were saying criticism of the episode was not welcome in this thread.
Yeah, there was one on a wall behind Mohinder at one point that looked pretty similar. Mohinder, I believe, lives in the same flat that Isaac lived in, so I presume Isaac painted it.
But the only painting we saw which could reasonably be assumed to be “Why are you talking to that Turtle” guy’s work was, as I said, the earth exploding.
That was one of the previews in the clip show/count down. As such, we’re not sure whether she was being sacrificed, or whether she was getting Sylar’s history.