I'm fat according to you so, what? You hate me?

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Jeezum crow, I can hardly read this thread anymore.

Look, the original questions posted oh so long ago were along the lines of, “I’m fat, do you hate me?” and “It’s ok to fuck with Monica and Callista, what about your mom or sister?” and “What’s too fat or too thin?”

Mark has given us many, many opinions, and the gist is, fat people repulse him. They are slothful, ugly creatures and he wouldn’t give one a job because he/she would reflect badly on his business. A fat person may have a nice personality, but he doesn’t care. And children need to be slapped more or they become willful, sullen, and fat. Ok, thank you, move along.

Mr. Sensitivity let us know that, no, family is not immune to derision and “dear, sweet, fat mom” is also fair game. Ok, thank you, move along.

“And the rest” have also made it clear that yes, those who struggle with weight gain, are deliberately trying to ugly the place up and deserve to be objects of contempt. Once again, thank you for taking the time to respond.

I’m satisfied that the original questions have been answered. Thank you for participating and have a nice day.

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I haven’t posted on this thread in a while because everyone has said pretty much what I would say.

Mark:
Re: Opalcat’s pics: when you get older, or have a baby, your metabolism slows down. Some people’s more than others. I have also known a couple of new mothers whose metabolisms have INcreased. Anyway, that is none of anyone’s business. We don’t need to tell you WHY we’re fat.

You mentioned something about whining when people like you point out the obvious that we are fat. Do you tell a black person how black he is and hate him for it? Do you think he doesn’t know he’s black?? Are you that stupid and insensitive??

Mark, I actually feel sorry for you. Despite a few angry posts, I’m a very happy person with a full life and am very accepting of everyone for who they are. I would rather be the way I am (fat included) than be as angry and unaccepting of diverse people as you seem to be. I pity you.

Byz, sorry to have gotten off the OP, but I just had to say my peace.

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Byz: It doesn’t appear as a “?” to me. In my browser it’s a box. The box represents the “box” of heated debate which traps all of philosophy and reason - wait a minute - that’s a lot of bullshit, it was just a keyboard slip - I guess I screwed up the bold code or something. By “the virtue of the pious” all I meant is that I will never have the righteous devotion necessary to turn the other cheek and love mine enemies. From reading your recent postings, I think you probably have more self control than I.

Atrael: I like how you use the term “grammatical style” as a euphemism for “poor writing skills” - very cute! Also, it doesn’t help that you misspelled both “grammatical” and “writing.” Since it
won’t get us anywhere (and it’s petty), I’ll stop picking apart your writing skills. Instead, I’ll focus on your accusations: You said:

That’s fine, but you missed me make the following points:

  1. “I’ll speak for myself in saying that what I am talking about here is health. Medical health. I will concede that the medical definition of obesity is bullshit. I have known people who are 20% over their “ideal” weight and can box me to a standstill. There are some VERY fit heavy people. But they are the exception. Obesity causes health complications. You can pass these complications to your children. This is not a good thing. If you can tell me that you honestly feel healthy, I would say that you ARE healthy.

2.* “. . .people are cruel. There are a variety of reasons: Some believe gluttony to be a sin, some are insecure about their own bodies and go on the attack as a form of defense, and others just like to laugh at another’s expense.”*

And most importantly 3. “As far as spandex goes - I urge ALL of you to slowly take it off and step away from it. That’s right, back off. Put it in the waste receptical. Now, don’t you feel better?”

And I never said:

In fact I stated, “You should relax and know that if you are intelligent and open-minded you are better off than 95% of the rest of society.”

Comparing fat people to black people is absurd.

Hell is Other People.

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I have not been following this thread since about the first page or so, but I just came back and read the whole damn thing in one sitting. This is all I have to say: Mark, what the fuck? You first start off by saying “I don’t hate fat people”, go into the reasons why you do hate fat people, state that you don’t hate fat people who can’t help being fat, then state that there’s no such thing, and then say, “In conclusion, it is obvious that I don’t hate fat people, you morons.” And then, when people take you to task, you say “Well, where did I ever say I hated fat people?” You didn’t, not in so many words, but goddamn, you sure put that point across everywhere else. And picking on OpalCat like that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. You are entitled to think she’s not pretty, of course, but despite what you go on to say at the end of the post, you extrapolate an entire personality based on four photographs. Let’s hear it for logic!

P.S. OpalCat, for what it’s worth, the 210 picture is absolutely stunning, in my opinion. You are attractive at any weight.

P.P.S. Also to OpalCat- I have an idea. Why don’t you get back up to 210, then go sit on Mark?

-Signed,
neuro-trash grrrl
125 lbs., and not particularly proud of it.

God is dead. -Nietzsche
Nietzsche is dead. -God
Neitzsche is God. -Dead

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Sake Sam.

[QUOTE]
Comparing fat people to black people is absurd[\QUOTE]

If you are referring to my post, I wasn’t comparing black people and fat people–I’m not stupid. But I was just stating the fact that you don’t point out to a black person that he/she is black because they already know they are, just as “fat” people know they are fat–don’t tell them. The reason people do it is out of sheer cruelty and it’s not necessary.

I’m tired. Nothing is going to be gained from this thread, but it was great getting it all off my chest.

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I wear jeans, myself. But, hell, they cost $40 a pair at fat chick stores, like The Avenue. On one of my pages I’ve included links to a few plus size clothing stores, but I haven’t actually ordered any yet because it’s all so expensive. Does it really require that much extra fabric to clothe us? Or is it punishment for letting ourselves get so big? “Don’t wanna diet? Take that! You don’t deserve reasonably priced clothing that might make you look half-way attractive!” I mean, $60-$70 for a swim suit? Is this an attempt to keep us from uglying up the beaches? My HMO won’t pay for any more physical therapy in the rehab. clinic’s pool, so I’m going to have to buy a suit and go to a public pool to exercise. Not only can I not afford a swim suit, I am SO not looking forward to being surrounded by sniggering children (of all ages) and others who’ll deride me for uglying up their swimming pool. (Shudder)

I’m going to note, too, that I’ve seen where several people have tried to stress, lest they appear even less PC, that they don’t “blame” the disabled for their weight gain. But the truth is, a lot of people can’t tell right off the bat when a person is disabled. Answer me this, if you see an overweight person riding a scooter at Wal-Mart, do you cut them some slack because their disability makes it hard for them to get around and lose weight? Or do you assume they are a fat lazy cow, and if they’d get off their damn scooter and walk through the store they might lose a few? Be honest, I’ll bet it’s the latter. That’s why I’ve done my damnedest to keep walking, I don’t want to have any more derision heaped upon me by using a scooter or wheelchair and looking like I’m just fat and lazy. But you know what? Because of my slow, clumsy gait, I’m still ridiculed because I look like a fat person waddling around under my massive bulk. And it’s hard to explain to a person about the challenges of living with muscular dystrophy when they’re speeding through the Wal-Mart parking lot. Prejudice sucks.

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FALCON: You didn’t read all that good did you? See my posts where I point out that I’m not including people with physical, mental or genetic problems which cause them to be heavy.

ORANGECAKES: Name says it all, doesn’t it? (Food) Re: you comment; Accepted. I’ve been called worse.

Atrael: Concerns noted. Business IS business and I’ve been a professional long enough to know that my personal feelings concerning an employee are not allowed to get in the way of keeping him/her on if they are good at their job. (I had the option to terminate an employee who was obnoxious with me but excellent at his job. Because of the latter, I kept him.)

Illegal? Yes, - but I’ve worked for national companies where labor violations are common. I’ve even tried to prevent and stop them and gotten fired for it. Discrimination still goes on at various levels. I’ve tried to keep my discrimination at a level which only concerns the company.

Ayesha: Apologies concerning your disability. Had I known, I would not have been so nasty. I have posted previously that my ire is NOT for those who suffer heaviness from physical, mental or genetic disabilities.

OPALCAT: Having E-mailed you in private to apologize for my post after finding out about your disabilities, I will again apologize. You fit in the above category. Being a bipolar, I do understand – especially after once being one of those who treated people with bipolar disorder. (Physician, heal thyself - buncha crap.) Looking back, it is easy for me to see the signs, NOW, of course, after the fact. When I get ‘affected’ my place turns into a dump and my weight goes up.

I do understand the accompanying pressures - (not having a child, of course, though everything else.) After I was driven into depression by corporate burnout, I began the frustrating process of getting disability, following by the struggle to get therapy and so on. They do not make it easy. After spending all of my savings and being set up on a monthly disability payment $175 too low to pay my basic, basic living expenses, eventually I lost my rental home of 10 years. I luckily had a place to go, but I experienced the turmoil. So, again I apologize.

GENERAL GRIPERS: Hey! My opinion was asked for and I gave it. Don’t like it? Byte me. I’m not alone in this opinion, as you all well know, but at least I’m not normally all that verbal about it. Those of you who keep on overlooking the point that I made concerning disabilities of various forms which keep you heavy - READ better or stop sniveling! Don’t take your aggressions based on insecurities out on me. I have several very fat friends who are very precious to me and I know that each has a reason for being fat and accept it.

See the post concerning the married couple – where he divorced his wife when she bulked up. It was obviously overlooked that she KNEW of his fat phobia going into the marriage and obvious that she loved him enough to keep her weight down for the courting process and for 2 years after the wedding. Her condition is laziness and sloth. Period. She was deceptive and later assumed that she could let it all hang out thinking he would not go through the trouble of leaving her.

Note the comments on the great American Mom. She remains reasonably svelte, pops a couple of kids and gets the ‘middle aged’ hip spread and keeps it. I know scores of moms who, loving their husbands, remove that fat. (I also know scores of husbands who work at keeping that genetic male tendency to develop a pot belly down because their wives like the way they look.)

I have also run into many plump women who seem to insist on looking as mannish as possible - always for ‘comfort,’ they shrilly scream in rage at me. Their attitude seems always to be belligerent – though they assure me that they are cuddly, sweet, huggable and loving.

I also have observed many heavy women who take time to look good and feminine. (Whats-her-name on Designing women is an example. In her show career she struggled to stay slender and looked sizzlingly hot, but gave up the battle and grew large. She stays feminine looking.)

Yes, I have also seen and met guys and gals who are far too thin. Yes, in business I consider that also. I would not hire some 6 foot tall guy who weighs in at about 120 pounds for a position in the freight dock. Also I would be suspicious of his health because I have observed that very skinny people tend to get ill more often – you’ll love this – than hefty folk.

After being critiqued about my bigoted hiring practices, I’d like to point out that more goes into it than just the little I presented. I look for dark circles under the eyes. Fat or skinny, such circles can indicate a host of emotional and physical problems. I look for ticks, twitches, observe any nervous mannerisms, cleanliness of the hair, body and clothing. (I have hired people who have arrived in old clothing, with impossible to get out stains, but which was clean.) I consider the person for potential physical problems, those either are currently existing or those which could happen. (Skinny people muscle strains, back injuries, broken bones. Hefty people mainly back and knee injuries.)
There’s more, but it’d take too much space to explain it.

To those who asked about ‘classifications’ of people in size: Well, folks, it happens and well never stop. Everyone is in a classification or group. You gripers about this also classify people. Don’t tell me that you don’t, because it is human nature.

YOSEMITEBABE: re; your post of 11-11-99 01:08 PM: Did you miss the part about genetics? That explains the difference between you and your sisters. It’s called genetic variation. That’s why you don’t look EXACTLY like either one of your parents.

Dressing: People may dress as they please, but then they have to take the acceptance or heat from society in general. One may dress comfortably and casually without appearing to the public like a slob. You feel that since you feel good dressing in such a way to make you look bigger, it’s OK. Like to look like a slob? Fine. Go out in public like that then don’t get all pissy if people think it makes you look like a tank.

At home I dress like a slob. I clean up if I go into the public view. If people I care about are around, I clean up some. If a girlfriend is around, I dress to look nice for her, even casually. (I dislike it when a girl I like wanders around even at home looking like she fell out of a dumpster, so I figure she doesn’t want me looking that way.)

Oh my - I can hear the sneering, twisted lips curling back from the sharp teeth, spittle dripping down quivering chins, jaws snapping open to lambaste me over THAT – so I’d best elucidate.

GUYS: Baggy, dirty boxers, ripped briefs, torn, stained undershirts, ripped, baggy jeans, dirty and smelling, greasy uncombed hair, food stains down the front of their shirts, stinky, reeking sneakers unlaced to allow their delicate foot aroma to be shared by all.

Girls: Similar - only dirty, baggy blouses, too large pants, wash stained, plain, worn one white cotton briefs, worn, tattered, stained hose dresses or robes, greasy, dirty hair, baggy man style clothing.

Get it? (Some folks don’t mind this form of familiar casualness between lovers but many actually do. Dressing a bit better for one you care about is a sign of care which is appreciated by the other.)

Now, does this clarify anything? Feel free to spout off. E-mail me if you want a personal diatribe.

Mark
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Mark -

Just one thing to say, and then I’m done…I appreciate you saying that I’m excused because of my physical/mental problems. I guess MY point is…if you came up to me on the street, you WOULDN’T KNOW about them! My problems aren’t that obvious. When you see me out of breath, do you assume it’s because I have asthma, or do you assume it’s because I’m too lazy to lose the weight?

Just something to think about, I suppose. And as another person whose weight goes up when I get into a depressed mode, I wish you luck.

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Mark, Delta Burke on Designing Women did not just “give up and get fat”. I read an interview with her and when she was thin before, she was snorting coke. I suppose that’s okay as long as we’re thin so you can bear to look at us.

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Brief recap, since this thread is so damn long, and it’s easy to lose a point. MarkSerlin wrote:

I asked:

Mark responded:

This is close. The correct answer is, “Well, unless somebody says to me directly, ‘Hey, I’m fat because I’m lazy,’ I can’t.” And, in fact, even if somebody does say that to you, the likelihood that it’s the truth is questionable.

You even acknowledged the inherent problem in making a determination which seems to be of paramount importance to you with this:

“Had I known.” What a grand phrase. Instead of making assumptions based on very, very little data, and then having to utter this phrase while apologizing for statements made based on the incorrect assumptions, you might want to skip the assumptions altogether. This would negate the need for numerous apologies and iterations of “had I known.”

Going back a bit, I’d like to try to correct a misconception that you have. You said this:

I’ve chosen this phrase because, while you’ve said many things that tend to indicate that you believe excess weight to be almost entirely a physical problem which can be overcome with simple “will power,” this phrase seems to me to illustrate that belief best. “I’m overweight. I don’t provide myself with food. Problem solved.”

Except that “not providing myself with food” for someone who has deep-seated emotional reasons for excess weight to begin with is not the benign solution you seem to think it is. Many (I’d guess most, but I have no data to back this up) people who are overweight and have no underlying physical cause (e.g., thyroid disorder) became overweight as a response to something. In other words, becoming overweight was not an intial intentional action, it was a response to external stimuli. Treating that symptom may, indeed, eradicate it, but will not in and of itself have any impact on the pre-existing stimuli, and without a more positive approach to dealing with said stimuli – which is often impossible, since the stimuli are often poorly understood, when they are understood at all – the person’s alternative response may be more destructive than excess weight. To themself, as well as to others.

The point I’m trying to make here, and was alluding to with my question about your reaction to Gigantic Gina (which you failed to address), is that you’re taking an external manifestation and trivializing it, assuming that it is only an external condition. For you, that may be true. You may be able to say, “you know, I love those damn crackers, but I’m not going to go buy any right now, I’ll wait until Sunday.” You may be able to say that and not have any negative internal repercussions. But it is impossible to view somebody once, or several times, or even regularly over a long period, and determine that they are in the same boat as you are. One of my closest friends is what most people would consider overweight, and it was years before I even began to understand what was behind her weight “problem.” Over the years, she probably did herself more harm than good by losing weight without fully understanding the reasons for its existence to begin with.

I imagine that your response to this might focus on this phrase of mine above: “. . .for someone who has deep-seated emotional reasons for excess weight to begin with. . .” To which you will, presumably, reply with something like, “I SAID I WASN’T REFERRING TO THOSE WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS!!” (I’d guess you’d throw a “moron” in there, but I’m not feeling creative enough to figure out where.) If this is your response, I can only say that I believe this segment of the overweight population is far, far greater than you seem to believe, and that “mental problems” which cause weight gain don’t have to be large enough to fit into clearly-defined categories, such as “clinical depression,” or “bi-polar.” I can’t imagine you’d have any problem at all with overweight people if you believed that only 10% of them are overweight because they are lazy, I’m guessing that you feel it’s more like 75%. I cannot provide any statistics in this area, I can only say that, given what I’ve learned in the past 5 to 10 years, I’d peg the number of people who are overweight due to simple laziness closer to 10% than 75%.

All of this, of course, ignores a central question, namely, “regardless of the person’s reason, why do you have a problem with someone who is large?” I’m actually quite curious about this, but I imagine it would take years of therapy to get to the real reason, and I’m afraid I can’t afford to pay for your therapist.

Rich

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Come on guys, you’re gonna get him all hysterical and slobbery again.

Psych-ward crafts workshop making moccasins?
It’s obvious that this guy can’t comprehend enough to carry on a coherent debate. Why bother?

Run along now, dork.

>^,^<
KITTEN
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Mark,
Oh no you don’t ! I can be “forgiven” because I have health issues ? I think not !
I have been big since I hit puberty at 10. Before that I was a stick kid !

Just FYI, BTW, I have PCOS, a male hormone
level that is higher than many mens, Hep.C,Diabetes, high bloodpressure, depression, along with several other conditions. I take 10 pills a day, and a shot of interferon 3 times a week. Which makes me sick as hell, and has for almost 2 years.

I am NOT disabled, I have health problems, period the end.

Do I want your pity ? Hell no ! I don’t need it, or your approval either. What I want you to understand is, the person is not the package, it’s what’s inside ! So just lump me with all the lazy, snack munchers you seem to think some of the women here are. They are better company than you anyway, in my not so humble opinion

No matter what a person looks like, they are still human, and deserve to be treated as such ! Why not try a little kindness ?
To all who posted their pictures here, I think you ALL look great ! OpalCat, I wish I looked as good as you do, at any weight !

Beauty is only skin deep, and is in the eye of the beholder. While ugly, well ugly starts
starts on the inside and slithers it way out !

Ayesha - Lioness

You sound reasonable. Must be time to up my medication.

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You ladies do not owe Mark an explanation of your physical state.

It doesn’t matter if you have a medical condition that prevents you from losing weight, or big vs fat, or if you are :::gasp::: just not his ideal woman because he thinks you are fat.

You shouldn’t feel the need to make excuses for your appearance, especially to doofus here. You have nothing to be ashamed of, so don’t let this freak put you on the defense or make you feel the need to explain anything.

Hey Mark? How are the folks?

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Mark: You made quick apologies to those you had been making disparaging remarks about when you found out the more specific details of their situations. Well, take that as a first class ticket on the clue bus. You take liberty to label people as “lazy”, but, if you were to hear their stories in detail, the reasons for their particular difficulties might also elicit your understanding.

Generalizations, generally, don’t work.Some of us manifest our problems in a way that is obvious to the eye. And some have problems that surface in other ways, like, say, a strikingly detailed obsession with dirty feet. There’s always a lot more than appears on the surface.

And that was the original point of the OP; see beyond the surface and don’t make judgement based on that. With all the frustration of Ms. Byz, who’d had just enough of it…

I’m a petite person, 5’3", 110 lb, and with a D-cup bust, so I fall in the category of acceptable fem, but, since I form my friendships with people on a basis of mind, have many beloved who have big bodies. I don’t categorize them as to where their “bigness” falls. It just doesn’t fucking matter. I will admit to a weakness of equanimity when it comes to thick skulls however, and in the spirit of understanding, try to take them as individuals, to see beyond appearances. Ain’t on no high horse, but, behind everybody, is a complexity beyond judgements. So don’t.

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DINGLE:
(Curious, but when I was a little child, Dingle was what a little boys penus was called.)

Delta Burke, thank you for the name, pointed out on an interview one night that it had been a struggle for her to stay slender, so she gave it up. You also missed the intent of that comment – obviously choosing to do so in order to have something to happily bitch about – in that even while she is a big woman, she looks and dressed very ‘female like’. It was in ref. to a pronounced tendency for many hefty women to dress man-like.

‘When I write, read as much as you wish, but know what it is you read and understand what it is that I write.’

Mark
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Ayesha, I’m going to hi-jack this thread for a sec just to let you know how terribly sorry I am to hear you has Hepatitis C. It’s an ugly, ugly disease, and I’m extremely saddened to hear you have to deal with it. My thoughts are with you. Umm… I don’t know what else to say without getting overly sappy or emotional, but I wish I could give you a hug.

Take care!

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Ayesha, I’m going to hi-jack this thread for a sec just to let you know how terribly sorry I am to hear you have Hepatitis C. It’s an ugly, ugly disease, and I’m extremely saddened to hear you have to deal with it. My thoughts are with you. Umm… I don’t know what else to say without getting overly sappy or emotional, but I wish I could give you a hug.

Take care!

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FALCON:
Neither. Your being out of breath at times more than likely assures me that you have a physical disability which does not allow you to control your weight. (We have an ENORMOUSLY fat 350, possibly 400 pound police officer who has to pass the physical tests to remain on the road. He does – much to my and everyone else’s surprise.)

VegForLife
You asked me questions and then answered them. Initially, one cannot tell if a person is fat because of a medical condition or not, unless it is obvious. My problem with those fat people whom I consider lazy? Most of the one’s I’ve met are mouthy, bitchy and very defensive and obnoxious about their weight. (Recall the lawsuit filed against a movie theater when a huge lady demanded to know why they did not have extra large chairs installed for people of her girth?) Many of the fat women I’ve encountered insist on dressing like men, cutting their hair short which makes their head look like a baseball sitting on top of a pumpkin, then whine about how they are being discriminated against because they are fat and female. PLUS, I have found it to be personally repulsive to view an obese man or woman in the nude.

While working in the hospital, I used to hate having to push 25 to 30 pounds of flab out of the way to locate the sexual organs of the patient to install catheters and find ‘things’ encrusted into the folds. B/P cuffs did not fit right and trying to tap a vein with an IV needle could be a nightmare requiring a cutdown to be done at the ankle. Plus it was rough to haul them around on a bed, stretcher or surgical table if they were unconscious. Not to mention if I had to work fast and the area was slippery with blood or bodily fluids and I had to keep elbowing flab out of the way. I assisted at a D and C of an enormously obese woman and wondered if the doctor was going to be able to locate the right orifice to insert the speculum into. Plus now and then I got the pleasure of trying to get an obese pregnant woman to OB by wheelchair, hoping that it did not break down. Sometimes I wondered how the boyfriend managed to get his little thing in there to have a baby in the first place. Not to mention that such hefty women being pregnant were a risk to themselves and the baby often enough because of their great weight prior to quickening.

DIANE:
Bite me you insecure, self-hating, potential depressive and potentially self-inflated ego system attention getter.

Ayesha
Fine. Your demand is acceptable.

I am bigoted against obese people. How many of you are bigoted over race? Which is more acceptable? Does that not bring you on a level with myself? Except for this post, I control my bigotry, though I would not consider an intimate relationship with a woman over a certain size. That is MY taste. I do have fat friends, which, in understanding their condition, I respectfully do not poke fun at them.

My girlfriends all know my limitations on weight. They all know up front my reasons for it. If they choose to bulk up and expect me to remain, they are wrong, and knew this going into the relationship. The most that might happen is we switch from intimates to platonic friends. This is my way. I do not apologize for it.

We all have our bigotry towards various people and if you say you do not, then you are lying. If not body style, then race, nationality, religion, habits, dress, accent, habits and so on. It is human nature. The true person accepts these bigotry’s and tries not to act on them.

You, Diane, are a bigot. What I said in my posts was very clear but you, as well as others, chose to let your anger over ride your eyes and understanding. No where in any of the posts did I state that I hate fat people. I expressed things I disliked about certain fat people. A personal opinion.

I know people who hate the accent of deep south Southerners. They call it Southern Honey.

Plus people who think Mexican men are ugly as hell but the women are exotic.

People who find that Blacks who do not oil their skin to give them that smooth sheen as dirty looking.

People who hate dreadlocks.

People who consider Koreans as sneaky, shifty back stabbing people not to be trusted.

People who consider Catholics as scum.

People who consider Protestants as scum.

People who consider Jews as scum.

People who consider Muslims as scum.

People who feel that thin folks are ugly and weak.

American Indians as drunks, shifty and dirty.

Poor folks lazy and dirty and stupid.

Cops crooked and hostile.

Doctors greedy and selfish.

Get the point pinheads?

I actually know and fully understand the reasons and emotions behind a heavy person. Understanding this, plus my own personality, keeps me from going up and poking fun at them to their faces. (I never did it in school and don’t do it in adult life.) I actually do sympathize with the plight of the heavy people, but I do not have to like it.

As I stated before, this is my personal opinion. I do not expect others to line up along with me and create a hate fat folks movement or to even agree with me. I don’t care. I have fat friends and enemies. I have worked for and with fat people with no conflict - unless they were natural bastards to begin with. I have hired and fired fat folk just as quickly as thin. I have labored just as hard to keep a fat person alive as I have with thin.

My bigotry is my own and so long as I do not let it influence my life dramatically, this whole thing is simply an exercise in debate. Want to look into your own bigotries and see just how much matches up with my posts that YOU took offense to?

Mark
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Mark, thanks for noticing the name. It’s silly and just a running joke with my fiance.

This is what I get for posting at work. After I posted (in haste) in reference to Delta Burke, I re-read your comment. When I tried to retract my statement, my crappy, company issued computer froze up on me. For that, I humbly apologize.

I’m still not thrilled with the crap you’ve been spewing, but when I’m wrong, I own up to it.

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No thanks. I hate the taste of shit and besides, how can I be sure you’ve have your shots?

But I have the seatbelt on my computer chair all fastened and everything.

Yeah, but the sex is great

The teachers all said I had potential . . . .

. . . . I just have to learn how to apply it.

No - that would be your date.

ME?!?!?! WANT ATTENTION?!?!?!?! WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT!?!?!?!?!

>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.