AuntiePam—I actually snort-laughed at your Cartman remark!! That was great!
Born O.K. the first time…
If you are born again, do you have two belly buttons?
I’m 5’1, and right now, about 160 lbs (still carrying some “baby fat”). Average weight for me, though, is not much lighter, between 140-150.
I was called “fat” in high school, too, and I only weighed 128 (I remember the exact number because I was on the weightlifting team). I had hips & breasts. Not fat, just curvy. Exactly like all the rest of the women in my family.
Now I’m 32. I’m not any taller, but I do carry a few more pounds. Hey, I’ve birthed three babies. My hips are a little wider, and my breasts are not as perky as they used to be. But to me, it’s not fat. It’s a mark of womanhood. And anyone that tries to tell me I’m fat can kiss my new & improved ass. 
What really hurts and angers me are the people who are slender, or at least more slender than me, complaining about being fat. One of my co-workrs is probably an inch or so shorter than I am (I’m 5’7"), and I’d suppose she’s about a size 12 or 14, very curvacious and pretty, but she constantly complains about being fat. Whenever she eats a sweet, she has to say something like, “I might as well tape it to my butt, because that’s where it’s going anyway.” For pity’s sake, she’s the thinnest person in the office, and I’m probably not the only person tired of hearing her talk like that.
The thing that hurts is it always makes me think, If you’re such a fat, disgusting pig, then what does that make me? If you think you’re so horrible, then what do you think of me? I’m 245 lb, and a size 24.
I recently subscribed to Radiance, “The magazine for large women,” in an attempt to bolster my non-existant self-esteem. In the current issue there was a mini poster that I am putting in my cubicle first thing Monday morning:
“Thank you for not talking about your diet. Please be considerate of others. Please don’t obsess about your weight in this area.”
I cheered when I saw that.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
This is the Pit. I might as well whine!
I’m not fat.
In fact, I’ve always considered myself quite skinny. My sizes run from 6 in some jeans, to mainly 4 in dresses.
I also notice that there’s a lot of thin-person-bashing going on in this thread. I’m sure it’s all in good fun, but I doubt such remarks would be taken with good humor if they were reversed.
I don’t make weight jokes. I eat – constantly! I don’t use heroin. I’m quite healthy, really. I just can’t seem to put on weight. My humblest apologies.
But hey, I’m happy with it.
–Amy
Amy, we’re not bashing thin people. We’re bashing people who think they have the right to say stupid stuff to people who aren’t thin, or are too thin, or whatever. If you’re happy & healthy as a size 4, cool. Don’t let anyone else mess with your self-image.
It’s all a matter of perspective, and our culture’s is pretty warped.
I’m guily of being the size 8-10 complaining about gaining weight around larger people (I sometimes buy into that stupid ideal, that somehow I must be a size 6–which would just look WRONG on me). One of my best friends is 5’11" and close to 300lbs, and my efforts to lose 5-10 pounds just seem silly around her. I love her–she is truly gorgeous, a plus size model in fact who just got in her first calendar. Still, her weight is a struggle that I cannot understand; her cycles of self-hatred, despair, and pride are sometimes difficult to watch. I encourage and remind her over and over again how she is beautiful as is. When I worry about the pudge her or there, I’ve learned to just keep my damn mouth shut.
I am who I am, not how I’m made. Isn’t that what we’re all trying to say?
I used to think the world was against me. Now I know better. Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
Hate you, Byzantine? You could snap me in half without even trying. I am six feet tall, and skinny as a rail. I usually weigh in the 120s, but I am up to 132 lbs. now. Hooray! I didn’t have breasts until I was sixteen, and I’m only a 34A now, I think (I don’t wear a bra). In high school, everyone thought I was a junkie, due to my thinness and my disheveled appearance. After I turned 18, I started selling plasma, which didn’t help the impression. Well, to make a long story short, what I got out of all of this was a complete inability to give a shit about anyone’s appearance. That’s what’s kinda nice about this messageboard, I have no clue what most of you look like. Even if I did, it wouldn’t affect anything, but still, I like to be able to see what people feel and think before I know what they look like.
God is dead. -Nietzsche
Nietzsche is dead. -God
Neitzsche is God. -Dead
I’m going to get hell for this one, but has anyone ever seen the magazine “Plumpers”? It’s like comedy for porn fiends.
These mamas are pushin 400 lbs or so. Yummy!
–Tim
Don’t hate me because I’m underweight.
Reminds me of my favorite poster -
A chick wearing nothing but high heels and an assault rifle, saying “Do you think I look fat in this?”
Nu…nu…nu… no, dear!
The sexiest girl I ever knew was 5’2" and on the high side of 160. It’s not the size of the dress, it’s what’s in the heart (and dirty little mind) that really matters.
Just take it easy with those damn spurs…
[quoteWow…I wasnt gonna post, or even lurk, I just popped in to get opalcats web site[/quote]
You popped into the “fat” thread assuming you’d find my website? Gee thanks… ;D
btw, it’s opalcat.com <—easy to remember
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Man, I KNEW there was a reason I hung out here! You guys are great! I feel compelled to give a little more back ground on my OP. This started up because someone close to me, someone I thought was a friend, told me that they really like me a lot. I’m really funny and great to hang out with; just not in public.
At first I took this okay because I thought he was talking about the fact that I’m rather loud in public, draw attention to myself, and just generally have a damn good time. But no. It’s because I’m “too fat”. He’s afraid he’ll run into one of his buddies and they might think we’re dating and THEN what would he do? I lost it! I was so angry!
Obviously, I won’t hang out with this jerk in private either! I don’t need someone like that in my life! And Konrad? That was really funny! But yeah, I did take it seriously because it really hurt me. You can be really secure with yourself but comments like that can really hurt.
And hey, you folks “afraid” of me; I’m really a pacifist! I would no more hit another human being than I would make fun of their weight. I’m just about the biggest marshmallow heart you will ever meet! Just look at all the abused animals I’ve taken in… Okay THE LION, I will sit my comfortably big butt down and shut the hell up!
Best!
Byz
I don’t hate anyone for being fat. I know I could stand to lose a few.
But guess what - If I’m looking at dating, and getting intimat with someone, I kinda like to be physically attracted to that person. Call me nutty…
That said, I’ve been with and even married a woman who was not thin by any means, and I do think the bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin’. But I draw the line with girls with two butts…
Yer pal,
Satan
Wow—There are a lot of women like me on this board. I am 5’10" and am also a size 18…I probably weigh in the high 190’s/low 200’s. I have broad shoulders and I think I look proportional
Tomorrow I have to go get weighed for my job…it’s our health screening…I really dread this every year. I don’t think I look fat…large all over but when they assign a number to my weight, it depresses me so much.
–Gail
“Predictable, really I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place.” --John Cleese
190? Low 200s? Pah! You call yourselves fat?!
Right now, my weight oscillated between 255 and 265 pounds, depending on how recently I’ve had pizza. Of course, I am a 6’0" male with a pretty wide bone structure, and so can afford to weigh a teeny bit more than most women here, but I think I clinically qualify for the very low end of “obese”. And, yes, this has not exactly been helpful for the ol’ self-image.
I should mention, though, that trying to reduce my weight has been a big, big mistake. I went on the Weight Watchers program back in 1990 when I weighed 200 pounds. Sure, I got my weight down to 160, but inevitably I fell off the wagon. And when I did, my weight stabilized at 240! (And it’s all in my tummy, too. I look like I’m in the late 3rd trimester.)
OK, I have to add my 2 cents in here, especially since I got stung a little in the BBQ pit. normally, I would have minded my own business.
I’m 6 feet tall and weigh in at 210 pounds, which is as heavy as I allow myself to get. Currently, the only reason I am this heavy (my normal weight is 190 to 195) is because I’m temporarily disabled and inactive. Even so, shortly I will be back down to 195.
I’ve read all of your posts and, believe it or not, do understand perfectly what you are saying but I do not have to find you attractive. Just as I do not find female muscle builders attractive. I will not make jokes about you, at least none more so than I would about anyone else of ANY physical characteristic, but I DO HAVE MY OPINIONS.
I do not like the current skinny style for women but neither do I like the ‘Rubinesque’ form one sees in old paintings of photographs from the late 1800s to early 1900s. In my opinion, a woman who is 5 feet tall should weigh in at roughly 110 pounds. This is MY opinion and mine alone.
I once observed a woman at about 5 feet tall who was heavy with an ENORMOUS ass nearly 3 feet wide complete with an enormous belly, wearing tight pants. Unless there is a physical reason why she was so heavy, I failed to understand how she could let herself get so big. I have known guys who marry cute women and after a couple of years of marriage, they suddenly gain about 75 pounds, start looking mean and wonder why hubby divorces them.
I’ve even put people on diets that were easy to follow and they lost the weight easily. (You want to know the best? 8 large glasses of water a day and eat a large salad (green) with low cal dressing before each meal. The salad fills one up and one eats less - though it takes a bit for one’s system to get used to all of the vegetable fiber.) Buying a juicer and downing about a quart of fresh vegetable and fruit juice a day instead of all of that water works great also. Plus the pulp from the vegetables, added to light soups, adds additional fiber and thickening and flavor with few calories.
But, as I said, this is my opinion and forced on no one else. I don’t go out of my way to pick on heavy people but I do not find heavy women attractive. Some guys do. My philosophy is that if I, who really likes to eat garbage, can control my weight, then anyone can and I HATE exercise.
Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”
Hey, I never said you had to find ANYONE attractive. What I object to is the outright hatred of heavy people, male or female. The cutting remarks. The slurs. The nasty jokes. I know everyone has personal taste (I like my women big and my men too) but I don’t expect everyone to be physically attracted to the same “type”.
That’s great that your weight is so easy for you to control. That is not the case for other people. I’m not going to assume anything about you but I want to make a point. Remember, I’m not saying that this is you.
Some people seem to think that overweight people are lazy or somehow just eat all damn day with no self control whatever. This is NOT true. I know very heavy people from my OA (Overeaters Anonymous) group who eat 1/3 of what I do and they still gain. Because of the way their body chemistry is. It’s really NOT their fault. They are working very hard to develop good eating habits and to work exercise into their lives. I salute them. My struggle is not nearly, not even a tad close, to how difficult their struggle is. Putting them down, making fun of them, just makes it worse.
And saying that if it’s easy for you, it should be easy for everyone else isn’t very fair. Chemistry and Mathematics come easy for me. I don’t expect that they come easy to others. I don’t put them down if they don’t “get it” as quickly as I do. Cut everyone some slack. We all have problems and we all have areas where we shine.
Best!
Byz
Mark, you wrote:
Oh, honey. If only it were that simple.
It isn’t just about eating. I have a friend who isn’t really fat or anything, but she is not thin, and she seems to gain weight every year. She is 5’1" and a size 14. She is a strict vegan (no animal products of any kind) and she exercises regularly. She recently went to a dietician because she wondered what else she could do to lose weight. The dietician was full of glowing praise for my friend’s diet. Lots of fresh veggies, not too much food. Just a wonderful diet - better than most people’s. And she certainly exercises enough. So why did she keep on gaining weight? I guess it’s metabolism, or something. She isn’t a fat pig, she doesn’t eat too much. Her dietician established that 100%.
Her sister is naturally thin. She eats junk food (and a lot of it) and she rarely exercises. Yet she gets on her high horse with her sister. She smugly sniffs that “you need to exercise more.” What a load of CRAP. How totally deluded and oblivious of this thin sister. It really pisses me off. (Sort of reminds me of your statement.)
In my case, it is partly what I eat (though I never eat at fast food places, never eat fried foods, hell, I’ll bet I eat less than most people who are thinner than me!) I could eat less. I could exercise more. But even if I did, I will NEVER be thin. No one in my family is thin. Everyone hovers around a size 14. They all look fine, not thin, but not obese. And that’s the way it frickin’ is, and the way it will always be. Screw anyone who gets on their high horse and tells anyone in my family that we could be slender if we ate more veggies.
As far as you not being attracted to certain body types - fine. We all have types we are not attracted to. I don’t care if someone is not attracted to my “type”. I just want them to leave me alone if they are not attracted to me, and lay off the abuse. And if you can do that - fine with me. But lay off the smug “if I can do it, anyone can” crap. I ain’t buying it.
Sure, some people clearly do eat too much, but some don’t. And unless you actually keep track of what someone else eats, you really don’t know what exactly causes each person’s weight, do you?
NOTE THE EXCERPT:
[Unless there is a physical reason why she was so heavy, I failed to understand how she could let herself get so big.]
I agree that there are physical reasons why some people become obese. Never said I didn’t. I also know many, who for various reasons, simply eat too damn much. One, a guy, admitted to me that since he was single, had trouble finding girls because he was shy that he ate because he enjoyed eating and it made him feel good. I also personally know about being depressed or upset and snacking and the weight gain which can come from it. I am also aware of the ‘poverty’ weight gain from eating many meals stretched with flour because of low finances.
I just have to admit that I was appalled when I happened to watch the Rikki Lake show one day, which featured Big Beautiful Women and several massive ladies in frilly, see through things pranced out and loudly proclaimed about how sexy they were. Hey! I’m no Adonis, and I know I certainly am not ‘handsome’ and know that I look ludicrous wearing a spandex bikini on the beach and find absolutely no reason to prance around in such stuff proclaiming that it makes me sexy, when it don’t. (Kind of like that stupid Texas thing of wearing cowboy boots and shorts on the beach.) I’m older with a bit of a pot so I don’t go wearing skin tight jeans anymore with tapered shirts but I sure see a lot of hefty women wearing those damn spandex pants that disclose a whole lot more than I want to see. I still have not figured out why, down here anyhow, the current style for Big Beautiful Women with many chins is to get short, short haircuts. That accents the roundness of their head and shoulders and makes them look massive. Hell, I used to wear a beard until I realized that it made me look like a jerk and I shaved it off.
I mean, if one is fat, be fat but by all means don’t dress to look even fatter and then wonder why people look at you. (Like those hairy, Northern Italian-looking old men with those massive beer guts who wear those damn grape smugglers on public beaches and take offense if someone snickers at them.)
I have hefty friends who take care how they dress and look and some of then always have a struggle with their weight. (A few seem to actually be able to gain weight if they walk too close to a box of chocolate fudge.) Heck, in my time people have made fun of me and I didn’t like it, but I’ve poked fun at others also. It all works out equally.
Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”
I don’t think Mark’s going to be making a lot of friends here…
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:::rolling eyes::: well GEE, you know I always expect people to dress according to what I WANT TO SEE…
Since when was the world some sort of display to please you? I’ll tell you why fat women wear spandex: <big><big>Because it is about the only thing that is even remotely comfortable to wear</big></big> Got it? I couldn’t GIVE a shit if you think it looks good, it keeps the skin on my thighs from rubbing together and giving me a rash. It doesn’t bunch up or poof out or do any of the other horrible things that make it so hard to “tailor” to a larger body.
You know, when I was 105lbs and made a living off my body, I thought the same way you do… but then I had a kid and put on weight, and the shoe was on the other foot. Well let me tell you that wearing these shoes puts a whole lot of things into a different perspective. You could stand to be less judgemental, and more compassionate. Again: this isn’t about what appeals to you. I’m happily married and you wouldn’t stand a chance even if you WERE attracted to me, so don’t flatter yourself that I’m dressing to impress you.
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