I'm sorry, but Zenster is a fuckwit.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:03pm

You are quite right about caring, now please cite some sample quotes from the BILT to back up your accusations.

I’d still like to see any possible confusion about this cleared up. As to your question, it seems as though some seek to fight ignorance with small minds. Go figure.

Thanks for noticing this, Waverly.

Fear not, Tuck, some types always feel obliged to treat me special. This ain’t the first time. Thank you for checking in.

*Originally posted by Jack Batty *
I don’t know how much I feel like chipping in to a pile-on, so I’m really going to try to be fair in my comments.

Kyla is right. Zenster has a heart of gold, but is sometimes very hard to deal with. Now he did me a true solid. He took care of my dog for me for two months while I was living on a couch (another doper helped me out there: zyzzyva) after my wife dumped me.

But he did kind of hold my feet to the fire over it a little bit. I tried to get down to San Jose to visit as often as I could. This entailed borrowing my soon-to-be ex-wife’s car and driving an hour and a half to get there. Invariably I was roped into driving him all over hell and gone and lugging shit around his shop. This was all fine with me. I wasn’t expecting to be put to work, but I was hardly in a position to complain. Tit for tat. It seemed like fair trade to me.

I really don’t want to make an enemy out of Zenster, but I can’t say that I haven’t been annoyed by him far more than I’ve been amused by him. It’s my own shortcomings that I only ever stood there with a sappy smile on my face and didn’t speak my mind at the time.

We all have our faults.

Make a comedy music video that is still funny and pertinent over twenty years later and then I’ll talk with you about Nesmith.

Yes, it was great that you helped me that one day at the shop. Yes, I did want you to visit your animal regularly so that it wouldn’t get too neurotic about being abandoned. One of these days I’ll even get around to patching the claw marks she dug into my back door. I searched for but could not find the thread where you were whinging about the world’s state of affairs. I gently chided you without specifying you by name and you got extremely hostile with me.

Try to remember the only thing I ever directly asked you to do in repayment for months of boarding your pet. I requested that you please help me move things down into the basement for my then upcoming remodel. That was all I ever asked of you, nothing else. Once you picked up your animal, I basically never heard from you again.

Since well behaved women rarely make history, you sound like someone who would be fun to know.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:14pm

*Originally posted by Rilchiam *
I’m not here to make a judgement on Zenster; I’m not in a position to do that. If he’s reading this, however, I would like to revisit the open-mic thread.

He and I went back and forth for a few posts about what he should/could do for nourishment after one of the open-mic shows. I already understood that he can’t eat until after he performs, because he plays a wind instrument, and one of my suggestions, that he hit a late-night diner with the other performers, was not feasable. The other three: a) make something at home, like a frozen pizza, b) get takeout on the way home, and c) bring his own sandwich, didn’t get a direct response.

Then the war started, and I abandoned the thread without asking the crucial question:

Were there physical reasons why he couldn’t do any of those three things? Or was it purely a matter of principle?

A direct response is that I basically close the show and once that is done I’d rather go home and relax than hang around that café to eat something that’s sitting for three hours. I know this will sound snobbish, but I’ve never had a frozen pizza in my house in my entire life. Yeah, takeaway is a solution and another stop on the way home as well. I hope that helps.

*Originally posted by SkipMagic *
My only suggestion for this thread is that those who have met Zenster in real life and hold negative views about him should probably think twice about posting them, as fessie said, in public view of 35,000 gawkers. (Or, really, however many actually show up to the boards on any type of regularity.)

I see this becoming quite a hurtful train wreck with just the opinions held about Zenster’s history of posts. But once people start contributing negative anecdotes abour real life meetings, this thread stands to become more of a cosmic fuck-up than it does a train wreck.

And yeah, I understand that if some people are allowed to post about the positive meetings with Zenster outside the boards, then others ought to be able to counter with the bad. To give a fair and balanced view an’ all. I definitely understand that, but I don’t think it’s a good idea. I mean, with posts, it’s easy enough for others to see what he said and judge for themselves; it even gives Zenster a chance to defend himself with evidence presented. However, anecdotal evidence doesn’t exactly give birth to a level playing field (because, generally speaking, the only two people with any authority of which to speak on the encounter are Zenster and whomever regaled us with the memory–all others expressing opinions about said encounter(s) will just be jumping in on the bandwagon of assumptions, because they weren’t there originally).

I’d just hate for this to be another chance for a lot of hateful comments to be lobbed in by a bunch of drive-by visits.

As always, YMMV.

I have called in a qualified and objective observer of my conduct. And yes, quite the spectacular trainwreck, is it not?

I pretty much feel the same need for continuity of character. I just try to save my vitriol for really craptacular cases.

I thought that sounded like my irony meter exploding. I’d better go check.

Whatever your apology is supposed to mean now, I suppose I’ll accept it. Thanks again for sharing.

Originally posted by DocCathode *
If I understand the arguments of the Zenster-is-a-fckw*t crowd: he monopolizes conversations; thinks his favorite food, music, Smurf, etc are the best and that all people should think so; he has a short fuse; he sometimes won’t admit he’s wrong.

Oh, the horror.
 Zenster is a human being. He's entitled to his share of human failings. 
Again, not only did he offer me help, he offered it privately. If he’s the egomaniac some posters describe, why didn’t he make the offer in a post? That would’ve given him a chance to put on a show of being the powerful selfless man helping a poor unfortunate. Instead, he offered help to me quietly.

Fortunately, many people seem entirely able to overlook that glaring fault of mine. Thanks, Doc.

Just for the record, JuanitaTech, that was the first time Kyla has ever made her impressions known to me. However, I may have missed a post to that effect in some other thread I never read.

Thank you, it works for me.

I pity the loss of innocence you’ve undergone. How sterile a suspect world must be. I cannot imagine such a thing and refuse to. Just for the record:

The whole gift box cashed in at around sixty dollars. I can make that much by break time.
The CD player was a thirty-dollar Circuit City special.
You bet I included some gifts for the little boy as well. Him getting some presents made sure his good-hearted sister could enjoy her own without interruption.

[waves hand through air above and below thread]

Nope. No strings attached. Never were any.

Being compared with Scotti is far too kind.

And I am miffed at myself for missing the opportunity. I had a spare computer in my basement the entire time. Fully loaded and ready to go.

Thank you for clarifying.

*Originally posted by TVeblen *
I’m about a hair’s breadth away from a cynic as anyone can get but seems to me there’s severe cognitive dissonance goin’ on between substance, appearance and conveniently distant board drivel.

Do I “know” Zenster? Never met him face to face, wouldn’t know him if I tripped over his feet. Haven’t always agreed w/ what he’s posted but he’s been a gent about it. Sometimes it’s taken a bit of back-and-forth to reach equilibrium but so it goes. I’m usually pretty veiled about what’s bothering me but Zenster has noticed and written me privately, just for good wishes. Nothing more, nothing oogy or or persistent, just offered.

On the grand scale of communication, IMO this rant rates a nod, nothing more or less, not dissection. Style doesn’t equal substance. Get a grip.

All in favor of slack,
Veb

Thank you, Veb. It’s why I always check with you first. You deserve it.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:18pm

The day I figured out the first six letters of my name spelled “Christ” I knew it was going to be nothing but trouble. Remember, some people get so chilled that they’re just plain cold.

As I mentioned in Stoid’s appreciation thread where you crapped on the carpet in your usual style;

You deserve yourself in spades.

Waking up in your brain would send me scrambling for the nearest straight razor.

And thus a lame rant is born.

Thanks, alice. It’s beyond me why people are that way.

Try reading my comments to other cooks in the original Recipe Thread. Come back and let us know if your opinion changes.

Maybe not to her, Brutus.

*Originally posted by yosemitebabe *
This is awful.

Bitch about someone based on what they do on the boards. Don’t bitch about them based on what you know about them IRL. There’s something … very distasteful about that. We haven’t met him, some of the rest of you have. We can’t dispute what you’ve said about him IRL, and we feel somewhat at a disadvantage because of that.

You’ve divulged, well, while not quite “private” stuff about him, I’d say it is stuff that I didn’t really want to know, or need to know. Heavens–why should any of us want to attend a Dopefest, if we have to worry about the other Dopers spilling the beans about our personalities, our frailties, and whatnot? Yeesh!

Let me make up my own mind about Zenster, based on his behavior on this board. If I ever meet in IRL (and I may, on one of my many pilgrimages back to Calif.) I will make up my own mind about what he’s like IRL. So far, I like him on this board. He’s a bit hot-headed sometimes, but not so out of the ordinary. He’s A-OK in my book.

Ewww. This thread leaves me with an icky feeling.

Very icky, but then again, I guess some people like icky.

This guy’s a regular King Solomon.

Thank you.

And thank you so much, Aloha Aloha. I feel privleged to be your friend.

Thank you, kambuckta.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:22pm

You’ve already made it abundantly clear as to what sort of specimen you are. Even posters who deal with humanity’s dregs were revolted by your attitude.

This from someone who views televised sports as serious entertainment. Your mileage may vary.

The subject of your argument is immune to reason. You may not wish to waste your breath.

Your civility crumbled long ago, if ever it existed in the first place.

There you go, using such heavily loaded terms as “adult.” You should know better than that.

Thank you for your consideration.

Yeah, that single '[sic] made my entire day. I lay awake at night for weeks planning that one. Thanks for sharing.

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *

*Originally posted by Narrad *
Yes.

I’m honestly puzzled that an adult person finds this difficult to understand.

Some of the things said in this thread appall me. I fail to comprehend how people can callously insult a man they have actually met in front of tens of thousands of others, some of whom have also met the man.

For shame.

But it is acceptable to callously insult a man I haven’t met, in front of tens of thousands of other people who have never met him either? That seems to be what people are saying should happen in the Pit.

I don’t like Zenster, this was reinforced by having met him, and yet it is out-of-bounds to say so? The response being that it isn’t fair to those who haven’t met him, since they can’t refute the “testimony”? As if, whether we like or dislike Zenster is a subject for rational objective debate, where the best argued (under fair conditions) side will win out in the end?

And I’ve already conceded that it may be more inappropriate to say these things where Zenster can read them, but it isn’t more mean.

Would you really prefer that un-callously insult someone? That I maybe take joy in it?

Perish the thought that you not insult anyone at all for a whopping fifteen minutes and see if your pitiful excuse for a life improves.

*Originally posted by fessie *
How about this, obfusciatrist - your mother doesn’t love you. Oh, wait, no, it was that woman in the grocery story, she just went the other way, I’ve never seen her before, no idea who she is. No, hold on, it’s that girl you met in class, the one you chatted up a bit. Yeah, she thinks you’re a real asshole and it’s important enough that she’s going to tell a whole bunch of your friends. You’re not her taste.

Get it?

It’s one thing to disagree with a stance someone has taken on a subject, or to have a problem with the way they’re conducting an argument - those are behaviors.

And it’s one thing to make superficial cracks about someone using phrases like “asshat” - abrasive but entertaining and yet still vague.

And it’s one thing to pull up old posts and use them out of context to embarrass someone - tacky, but (usually) still within the game.

It’s another thing entirely to have met someone, to have broken bread and shared a moment - much less to have received a favor from them - and then to go around ranking not a specific issue, but the fact that you don’t like them. So fucking what. When you post an argument, that presupposes there’s another side to the issue.

It’s particularly distasteful to do it to someone who isn’t an indifferent yak, but clearly cares and makes an effort. Someone with real content who has made himself vulnerable by being real.

And yes, I cringe when reporters ask incredibly personal questions, and I don’t think 911 tapes should be played on television.

We should let this sick thread drop and go somewhere else to play.

Not until I’ve had my way with this little puppy. And thank you. Yes, I try to be real here. I know it paints a huge bull’s eye on my back for all the blade twisters, why should I care? People seem unable to distinguish that just because I strive for perfection doesn’t, in fact, make me think I am perfect.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:31pm

Yup, go figure. obfusciatrist is a regular paragon of virtue at the dopefests.

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *
I have done none of these things, so I fail to see their relevance.

I posted no argument. In fact, I just said above that whether you or I like someone isn’t a subject of argument.

The people slagged in the Pit are rarely indifferent yaks. They are generally someone with real content who has made himself vulnerable by being real (yay psychobabble!). At least to the OP.

You are able to enjoy it, because the OP took something that had nothing to do with this board and decided to come bitch about them here. I still fail to see how the fact that the subject is a Doper ameliorates it or makes it worse.

Yay for your sensitivity. What does this have to do with anything?

All I was doing when I posted was responding to the several people who said “he’s probably quite the guy in real life.”

But again, if it helps any, I think that purely based on his board persona (which is exactly the same as his real life persona based on my meetings of him) he is a boor of incredible proportions.

Is that kosher?
porcupine, most of the people pitted are pitted for something that has nothing to do with their activity on the boards, for most of the are not active on the boards.

I wouldn’t have brought up his real life personality, but people were already using it in the conversation. To essentially say “regardless of what I think of his online personality, I’m sure he is a peach of a guy in real life.” I’m just assuring these people that this isn’t true. He is pretty much the same guy. If you like that, great. If you don’t, great.

Thanks for sharing.

JFTR.

HEY! I said, no cracking wise! This isn’t supposed to be enjoyable and you know it.

JFTR.

There’s a lot you fail to see in life.

*Originally posted by light strand *
obfusciatrist, are you really that dense, or are you just being contrary? Strangers are pitted because we don’t have a way of confronting them in real life. We pit friends and relatives because we can safely say what we want without hurting their feelings. We wouldn’t need to pit them if we felt comfortable insulting them to their face. It’s just a way of getting stuff off our chest while retaining a working relationship. What you’re doing is trashing a person’s reputation in public to those who interact with him.

Moreover, you’re doing it based upon stuff for which he can’t defend himself. This is in direct conflict with when we pit a board member on what they post, as the OP is doing. Zenster could have simply wandered in and said, “I’m sorry if you find my posts abrasive, just don’t read them”. But how does one defend against your statement of “In real live you suck”? Also, “I just don’t like you in real life” is just plain cruel. It’s a piss-poor excuse for a rant, and it says more about you than him.

The most disturbing post here though is Jack Batty’s. Jack, I don’t have a dog in this this fight, but I feel compelled to say; you sir, are a jackass. I simply can not believe that you actually have the nerve to write such a malicious post. Remind me not to do you any favors.

I think (some of) you guys are vile. This thread certainly does not compel me to entertain the idea of joining a Dopefest any time soon.

Nice to see someone making sure that Jack Batty didn’t slip under radar with his back-handed compliment.

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *
No, I’m not that dense. You do have a way of confronting them in real life.

It is called talking.

I have no problem talking to people in real life. Whether it be to say nice things or not nice things. And that is why in my years here, I’ve never started a Pit thread about people who aren’t on this message board. Because I talk to those people in a venue where they can talk back. Apparently you all would prefer that I go to ANOTHER message board and talk trash about Zenster (I don’t think I am, but you all do). Because that would be less mean and more adult somehow. To me that is what I’d call high school.

And Zenster has the same defense in this case. He can wander in, and say “I’m sorry you find me sucky, don’t go places you know I’ll be.” (which is exactly what I do)

And it may be a piss-poor excuse for a rant, so it is a good thing I never ranted. The ranter in this thread was Tony, and he did exactly what you all are asking for: He bitched about the postings of Zenster. I just gave my opinion when several people posted (Tony, lieu, wring) about his real life personality.

How is it cruel to say you don’t like someone. Do you honestly expect everybody to like you?

Thank you for making sure a “piss-poor excuse for a rant” instead, attained new levels of low behavior. We couldn’t have done it without you.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:43pm

Be glad. Be very, very glad.

Stand back folks, he’s waxing eloquent!

And you thought I was bad. Guess what? He most likely meant it. Surprised?

Just please try not to be too Shrewish. Mkay?

Welcome to The Pit, Zenster style. Notice how well some people manage to bottle up and save their venom for that one special day?

Why does he? For the same reason that I give;

Because he can. No other reason, really. Just because he can. And he does, and you’ve all gotten a sterling glimpse inside his vacant husk.

Now that was good!

Dang! My irony meter just detonated again.

And I don’t either. I just have barriers about going out of my way to be downright nasty to people.

Very clearly, and pretty snarkily too. How adorable!

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by White Lightning *
I don’t either, Snoop. You of all people should know just how I feel about this. Primaflora, I just don’t agree with you.

[quote]
Originally posted by obfusciatrist
… I wouldn’t have brought up his real life personality, but people were already using it in the conversation. To essentially say “regardless of what I think of his online personality, I’m sure he is a peach of a guy in real life.” I’m just assuring these people that this isn’t true. He is pretty much the same guy. If you like that, great. If you don’t, great.

Yes, good catch.

JFTR.

WOW! Other posters like me, in this very forum? Who’d a thunk it.

JFTR.

Thank you.

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *
When I said:

Originally posted by obfusciatrist*
… I wouldn’t have brought up his real life personality, but people were already using it in the conversation. To essentially say “regardless of what I think of his online personality, I’m sure he is a peach of a guy in real life.” I’m just assuring these people that this isn’t true. He is pretty much the same guy. If you like that, great. If you don’t, great.

you left out the important part of the paragraph. Why was that? The end of the paragraph was “If you like that, great. If you don’t, great.”

I meant that regardless of whether you think it a good thing or a bad thing, his online and real life personalities are the same. I also have said in this thread: “I’m sure others meet him and think he is the bee’s knees; and I’m fine with that.” as well as “As if, whether we like or dislike Zenster is a subject for rational objective debate, where the best argued (under fair conditions) side will win out in the end?” and “In fact, I just said above that whether you or I like someone isn’t a subject of argument.”

Rilchiam, I said in the other thread that I was mistaken in my claim about lieu. I should have corrected it in this thread as well. However, when wring said:

“Zenster is a deeply loyal, caring human being…” and “I think sometimes he vents here, so that IRL, he doesnt’ end up acting out poorly.”

I take those to be statements about Zenster’s real world personality, and specifically states the position I am against (that there is something fundamentally different between the way Zenster behaves online and the way he behaves in person.

Now try to explain the huge gaping void between what you’ve said and what all these others have said about me.

Originally posted by obfusciatrist
You’re saying that people are free to like me despite the fact that I’m an asshole.

But you are inaccurately paraphrasing what I said to make the point you want to make. To be more accurate you’d have to say

“Some people think obfusciatrist is nice. In fact, I don’t think he is. But if you disagree that is ok.”

Again, I’ve not made any attempt to tell people what they should think of Zenster, just that they shouldn’t operate (in my experience) under the assumption that he is significantly different in real life than on the board.

That was the first part, anyway. The second part what that I don’t think it is meaner to give my opinion of Zenster just because he posts here than it would be for me to give my opinion of some person that doesn’t post here.

For someone who dislikes me so much, you sure do spend a lot of time around here.

*Originally posted by whistlepig *
I’m headed out to San Francisco next weekend. What I don’t know about San Francisco would just about fill the Grand Canyon.

I started a couple of threads to find a kayak tour of the Bay and good restaraunt. Zenster replied with a couple of restaurant reccomendations. On another thread, he offered to show me around San Francisco and give me a tour of Berkely. Off-dope, we’ve been trying to figure out how to meet up so he can show me his town.

Zenster has offered to be a good host to another doper. That’s one of there reasons why I am at the SDMB.

Now, because of this thread, I’m thinking, “Does he talk too much? Does he realize that I’ve been to a good restaurant before?”

Bah, bullshit.

He offered to be a host. Good for him. If you come to my town, I’d be glad to show you around.

I look forward to meeting Zenster.
I’m glad that he stepped forward and offered to help a fellow Doper who’s visiting a new place.
Whistlepig

And I’m sure we’ll get along just fine.

*Originally posted by Rilchiam *

Originally posted by obfusciatrist
Rilchiam, I said in the other thread that I was mistaken in my claim about lieu. I should have corrected it in this thread as well. However, when wring said:

“Zenster is a deeply loyal, caring human being…” and “I think sometimes he vents here, so that IRL, he doesnt’ end up acting out poorly.”

I take those to be statements about Zenster’s real world personality, and specifically states the position I am against (that there is something fundamentally different between the way Zenster behaves online and the way he behaves in person.

Okay. But seeeeeeee? This is a large part of the problem. It appears (and please correct me if I’m wrong) that you didn’t weigh wring’s post carefully enough before submitting your own.

We don’t any of us have enough time to really analyze each and every post someone has made. Furthermore, none of us have met each and every poster IRL. As such, it’s impossible to make a valid character assessment of any poster. And in this case, obfus, it was irresponsible of you to claim that wring was validating your opinion, based on one post that you apparently didn’t read carefully or place in context.

No offense.

Thank you for sticking to the facts.

How many posts in this thread and counting was that whistlepig? What hypocritical horseshit!

Thank you.

Feel free to slag off at any time.

*Originally posted by White Lightning *

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *
… But you are inaccurately paraphrasing what I said to make the point you want to make. To be more accurate you’d have to say

“Some people think obfusciatrist is nice. In fact, I don’t think he is. But if you disagree that is ok.”

Except you didn’t say “think.” You said “this isn’t true.” I hear you saying that this sentence referred to his potentially dichotomous personality, not the actual appeal of his IRL personality. All I can say is that I (and evidently others as well) didn’t read it that way (‘you may think he’s a peach IRL. It’s not true.’ See where I’m getting it?). But there’s no point in me arguing with you over what you meant.

And again, I agree with everything else you’re saying. You say you don’t want to convince anyone of anything regarding Zenster, fine. I’ll let it go if you will.

Thanks WL.

Volumes, indeed, BNB. Thank you for remembering, and thanks for your support when Zen was down.

*Originally posted by obfusciatrist *
You’re again cutting it off. If you only apply the “it’s not true” to the second half of the preceding sentence then it means what you thought. If you apply it to the whole preceding sentence, then it isn’t contradicting the “peach” idea, but the idea that his online personality can be viewed as distinct from his real life personality.

But I will also admit that I frequently get into trouble because I don’t think it is necessary to precede the obviously subjective with the phrase “I think” or “In my opinion”.

“I don’t like Zenster”
“Daddy Day Care is a bad movie.”

Both are obviously subjective determinations, both are obviously just my opinions. It gets tedious to constantly label obvious opinion as such.

And I don’t want to convince anybody whether they should like Zenster. I do want to convince people that his online and offline personalities are essentially the same, and that those who like his online personality will probably like him in real life and those who don’t like his online personality probably won’t like him in real life.

But I can let it go as well; the weekend is almost over. So, with this, I bid you all adieu. It’s been fun.

Your definition of “fun” seems quite at variance with that of numerous other posters here. I’m so glad they could all get your measure.

White Lightning, don’t be amazed if other people here have had their fill and find it necessary to vent. Thank you for weighing in too.

You just made another excellent point.

The irony of this post goes beyond mere words. I am astounded.

Great question.

I find it extremely strange that Demo didn’t even bother to check in with the one interaction we had a few years ago. Maybe he’s too busy rereading the open-mic thread. Who knows?

What? No deft sideswipe, Doobieous? You must be slipping.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 12:52pm

That should have been:

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 1:01pm

Aw shucks, and I thought I was going to be able to slide that one on by.

Thanks, yosemitebabe, I’m glad to know we agree. Somehow, I seem to attract the sort of people that initially shrug off an incident only so they can let it fester until the precise right opportunity to be a total puss volcano about it.

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 1:06pm

Thanks for your concern, calm kiwi. I’m not going to let a couple of rectal cavities chase me offa my grubstake at these here boards.

PS: It’s “brilliant chef and loudmouth.”

Waverly · May 19, 2003, 1:07pm

:eek: The moral of the story: Don’t pit Zenster unless you have the endurance to withstand an eighty-five-hundred word rebuttal.

Psst, Zen, I understand the urge to speak out, but the whole dignified silence thing was really working.

Rilchiam · May 19, 2003, 1:26pm

Okay then!

Francesca · May 19, 2003, 1:27pm

I’d like to read your defense, Zenster, but I’ve just finished War and Peace and don’t have the endurance for another mental marathon.

Rilchiam · May 19, 2003, 1:31pm

Oh, come on, people…Most of the bandwidth is taken up by quotes. If you were reading the thread all along, you can read Zenster’s replies; you don’t have to re-read the quotes word-for-word.

tiny_ham · May 19, 2003, 1:36pm

jesus christ that was unnecessary.

lieu · May 19, 2003, 1:39pm

Holeee crap, did Monday morning’s vanity search ever return a few hits!

Zenster · May 19, 2003, 1:45pm

Sorry, but so many other posters had stepped up to bat for me that I was obliged to rebut in full. The evil that went down in this thread should serve as a strong lesson to any newbies about piling on in the Pit.

obfusciatrist, you have once again shown your true colors. I’m glad that a new crop of dopers got a peek under the hind leg of your twisted braincap. You are pathetic beyond words.

Kyla, while I shall make every attempt to accept your apology, it was essentially worthless to me. You felt totally free to smear me publically and ended up showing your real personality to all. Saying you’re sorry after openly venting such poisonous bile is like saying “oops” after lighting off a bomb in a crowded place. Read and memorize yosemitebabe’s most recent post. Maybe you’ll get a clue some day.

Snooooopy and Jack, you’re a fine pair of ingrates. You can go back to holding hands with obfusciatrist, now.

To all who spoke up on my behalf, you have my eternal gratitude. Please check your SDMB email in the next few days.

Love,

Zenster

wring · May 19, 2003, 1:53pm

A. I’m female (not that it makes a difference here, but I like to clear up misconceptions where they occur).

B. I have never met Zenster, did not claim to. I only know him through the boards and a brief series of emails where he contacted me w/questions on behalf of personal friends of his IRL, looking for my expertise in a particular area.

C. you misunderstood my post - I opined that it seemed to me that Zenster vented here about stuff that happened in his real life to avoid venting IRL, the main thrust of the post was that he appeared to me to have strong loyalties, that he was protective of friends and people he cared about, that he would react here strongly if he perceived himself to be attacked, that he would react less strongly if approached in a non confrontional manner. And I also mentioned that description fits a helluva lot of people here.

D. Count me as one of the ones suggesting that you mischaracterized my words/position. Perhaps you didn’t read carefully, I did mention the phrase “IRL”, however, did not at all claim that I knew him IRL, or knew of him IRL. Perhaps my writing was less than clear, however, others seem to have picked up on it.

Bad_News_Baboon · May 19, 2003, 2:54pm

I am not sure, but I think this is in reply to Zenster’s replies.

If not, ignore me.
If so, I don’t see how he was given much choice.
I can see it now: damned if he did and damned if he didn’t:

“You see? He is a prick. He didn’t have the balls to reply to my post”

Kyla · May 19, 2003, 3:05pm

If it’s so worthless, don’t bother accepting it. Honestly, I meant what I said. What I regret is that I posted it in so public a forum. It was wholly inappropriate.

Spiritus_Mundi · May 19, 2003, 7:07pm

I’ve never met Zenster. I don’t recall any significant interactions with him on this board, though my memory in such matters is demonstrably spotty. But for some reason I found myself compelled to read this entire thread. My conclusions:
[ol][li]Some posters whose honesty I have no reason to question attest to Zenster’s expressions of compassion in both words and deed.[/li][li]Some posters whose honesty I have no reason to quesiton say that they have met Zenster and find his personality objectionable.[/li][li]Point (2) has been expressed with a stunning lack of the compassion and empathy that point (1) finds evidenced Herr Zenster.[/li][/ol]
So, Zenster, I think you quite likely are opinionated, outspoken, and possibly boorish in social gathering. If I ever have occassion to gather socially with you I shall most certainly buy you a beer (or a whiskey, if your pallate inclines in such directions). An ounce of honest human compassion is worth a pound of personality flaws.

And then some. Good on ya, mate.

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I'm sorry, but Zenster is a fuckwit.

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