I'm vaguely unnerved by New Movie Superman's low-rise shorts.

Given the recent encouraging trend of successful, highly entertaining comic-book movies, from the **Spider-Man ** movies to Batman Begins, I’ve been looking forward to the Man of Steel’s return to the big screen. From all I’ve heard, it’s been an extremely rocky road getting a new Superman movie made, and since I’ve always been fond of the character and the mythology, I’d like to see the new film do as well as possible. So it’s probably quite unfair of me to feel so uneasy about the production, based solely on the recent release of a publicity shot of Brandon Routh in the new Superman costume, which draws far too much attention to the Batch of Steel for my tastes.

Is it fair to judge a man based solely on his choice of pants? Perhaps not, but it’s been one of the most commonly employed criteria for thousands of years. Fair or unfair, given a choice between seeking medical help from a paramedic wearing crisp professional scrubs or an equally qualified one dressed in a crude jockstrap made from an inflatable duck pool toy, I would venture to say that most people would choose the former.

It’s certainly fair to point out that Superman’s choice of attire has always been unconventional at best, what with the cape and over-the-calf boots and all. Probably the most comedy-inspiring feature of the ensemble has been the red shorts, and thus it’s perhaps understandable that the costume designer might seek to address this problem by tweaking the classic design a little.

Personally, I have never had a problem with the shorts. They’re a peculiar anachronism, true, but they’ve been a constant feature of the costume ever since the beginning, and they didn’t keep Superman from becoming one of the most widely recognizable icons in the world. The Richard Donner movie wasn’t afraid of the shorts; the costume was translated to the screen with admirable fidelity, and Christopher Reeve demonstrated that the character could indeed convey dignity and credibility while wearing the shorts.

So I see no reason why the shorts should be an issue at all, but if for whatever reason the new movie considered them problematic, then I think they should have handled the costume redesign more honestly. Instead, they seem to be trying to strike a compromise, trying to minimize the shorts while at the same time making them more ‘streamlined’ and ‘stylish.’ Look, if the shorts are an obstacle, then by all means redesign the costume to eliminate the percieved problem. They did exactly that with Batman for the movies and no one seemed to notice, even though the shorts were probably the scariest part of Batman’s entire costume. Being attacked by a psychotic in a giant bat costume is one thing, but being attacked by a psychotic in a bat costume with shorts is infinitely more traumatic, especially if that psychotic is grinning eerily and holding up a giant paper circle for a limber prodigy to burst through, and that prodigy is also wearing shorts. I’d guess that this is exactly the sort of imagery that caused the Baby Boom generation to lose their trust in authority figures. But I digress.

It’s probably not impossible to retain the general iconic quality of the costume without specifically including the shorts. Face the problem head on, and let the fans decide. But don’t go trying to sneak around the issue by including the shorts, only making them really small shorts, because you’re not fooling anyone. This is not one of those situations where making a thing smaller makes it less noticeable. It’s disturbing and counterproductive. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I’m not sure what to make of the rest of the costume, other than to say that it’s not what I would have expected. I don’t have a problem with the classic costumes being redesigned, if it’s done in the right way. I’m not unduly troubled by the movie Spider-Man costume’s divergence from the Ditko version. I thought the newest movie Batman looked great. And whatever one’s opinion of the recent **Fantastic Four ** movie, I think the basic costume design wasn’t a problem for the most part.

The classic Superman costume itself has been tweaked and modified in various ways in the comics, with varying degrees of success. I personally thought that Alex Ross’ variant in **Kingdom Come ** with its sleeker, Fleischer-inspired shield was an extremely dramatic and effective design. So it’s not impossible to finesse the costume a bit without losing the iconic quality.

This new version, though, I’m not sure about. Maybe it’ll look more impressive on the big screen, but just from this one image it looks kind of tatty. Also, this is a publicity still, so presumably they were working as hard as possible to make the suit look just the way they wanted it to, which doesn’t bode well in my opinion. The chest shield looks way too small for one thing, and the tiny belt buckle shield just looks goofy. In fact, the whole belt looks way overthought, with those funky diagonal elements seeming to point directly groinward, saying, “this way to the disturbing bulge!” and thereby exacerbating the whole shorts problem. The cape I don’t really have an opinion on, other than to say that I didn’t realize they made Fruit Roll-Ups that big.

I guess my big question, then, is “Why?” Why were these particular choices made for the costume redesign? The color scheme seems to be somewhat darker than the Reeves movie version, which is not a bad thing in and of itself; although it does suggest that perhaps the filmmakers didn’t feel that a comic-book movie should be too brightly colored, which may hint at a crisis of confidence in the source material. What’s up with the relatively tiny chest shield? Who was it that decided, “The Superman chest logo in the comics is a bit overwhelming, isn’t it? A bit too aggressively visible. Let’s de-emphasize that and see what happens.” I submit that the Power Rangers-evocative relief detailing on the chest shield doesn’t help matters either. For one thing, it makes me think of the Power Rangers, which is not a great association to make if you want people to take your “man-in-a-Spandex-costume-fighting-crime” movie seriously. Add in the distracting effects of the red hip-hugging Euro-swimwear, and what you’ve got is a recipe for trouble.

It’s one thing to tinker with the costume designs of characters whose appearance has itself changed and evolved somewhat in the comics over the years. Batman, of course, has had multiple costume iterations and is no worse for it. Other than the very early Golden Age period of the Triangular Shield and Hercules Boots, though, Superman’s costume has remained extremely consistent over the decades. (I exclude the unfortunate Electric Superman sales event of '98 from my analysis.) In a way, the costume reflects the uncompromising nature of the character’s values, which don’t change merely because the rest of the world may perceive them as quaint or outdated. The classic Superman’s shorts came to represent a massive, naughty bits-concealing bulwark of decency, a Fortress of Solitude, if you will. They were a sacred covenant with his admirers that promised, “Although I dress in tights, I am a force for Good and Protector of the Weak. These shorts are an extra-thick guarantee that, no matter how the vagaries of fashion may change, you will never have to view the outline of my Little Kryptonian.” I’m just not getting the same sense of commitment from the low-rise shorts. It doesn’t seem like he’d be able to effectively wrestle the robotic minions of Brainiac and preserve his dignity at the same time, and that’s always something I was able to trust Superman with before.

I’d like to think that the shorts aren’t a dealbreaker, because I sincerely want to enjoy this new movie. For all I know, it could have a really good story, compelling acting, appropriate humor, dazzling effects. I hope it does. I’m just worried that the suit design will be a distraction from the positive features of the movie, where it really didn’t have to be. Here’s hoping.

Girls can do it but boys can’t?

Look that’s the way he was always drawn.

That has to be the most ever written about the height Superman wears his pants.

Green Lantern once asked me why I didn’t wear a mask to protect my identity. I told him, “Most of the time they aren’t looking at my face.”
Puts that quote in a different light, doesn’t it? :wink: Just be glad they didn’t put the Schlong of Steel in the costume of the real speaker of that line.

The short shorts don’t bother me.

I’ve never seen this actor’s work before so I dont know whether he’s suitable for the role. That bothers me.

That’s because it’s never been a problem before! In the past we could always have faith that Superman would always keep his pants hiked up to a respectable height. It should go without saying that this is a matter of great concern, since there are few if any beings powerful enough to force Superman to pull his pants up if he doesn’t want to.

Don’t you realize how important this is?

Terrifel. Batman could, if he’s prepared.

There is a certain John Stockton vibe to the shorts.

Robin’s shorts were disturbing for an entirely different reason.

Oh, head on.

Never mind.

Major bonus points for this comment.

I think the costume’s pretty good looking. Then again, I’m in my mid-20s, so I don’t mind the low-rise look. Plus, I don’t have any nostaliga factor for the (frankly, hideous) old grand-pa briefs.

Exhibit A Awful.

Exhibit B These ride a good two inches above his belly-button.

Exhibit C Even this Christopher Reeves version, IMHO, is worse than the new design. In terms of drawing attention to the “schlong factor”, I think the Reeves version is a worse fashion violation than the version derided by the OP.

The low-rise briefs might at first seem to be drawing attention to the, ummm, pelvic area. However, their low-rise nature means that they’re more of a long horizontal rectangle overall. OTOH, the Reeves version has a much higher waist, but the thigh openings are also much higher cut. This gives a more vertical line parallel to the schlong, which actually emphasizes the whole area even more.

It bothers me that they’ve made the “S” on his chest smaller.

“What’s that!? Up in the sky!?”
“It’s a bird!”
“It’s a plane!”
“No, it’s… well, I can’t quite make it out. Anybody have some binoculars? No? It’s probably Captain America.”

Not sure what happened with the links there.

Exhibit C Helloooo grandpa

Exhibit B Urkel

Exhibit C (Reeves with extra schlong-factor)

Also this site which shows pics of various Superman costumes through the ages.

Forget Blue Boy’s shorts, I like hers better. :wink: :smiley:

Thanks for the visual aids, Waenara; they do help to put the whole debate into its proper perspective. The first set of links worked fine for me, BTW; also, when I clicked on your last link, I accidentally had my computer speakers turned up and the John Williams MIDI scared the crap out of me. But I’m a little jumpy that way. As far as that last link is concerned, the Christopher and Holiday costumes seem to have the most optimal shorts-to-groin ratio for my money, although the Cain costume comes close. That’s a nice publicity shot of Dean, isn’t it? He did a pretty good job, I think.

I agree that a return to the 1950’s-era Superwear standards would have also been inappropriate, unless the movie was explicitly seeking a Sky Captain- like period vibe (which, as an aside, I think might have been kind of cool–Kirk Alyn as a square-jawed Golden Age Square-Britches Superman throwing down on Totenkopf-style giant robots). But as far as reinvigorating the movie franchise goes, the choice would have probably been ill-advised.

I’m not convinced that the Reeve briefs are more distracting than the Routh version, though; on the contrary, I think they provide a unifying element to the costume, as their roughly pentagonal outline nicely echoes the red S-shield on the torso. The Routh costume exhibits no such visual harmony, although it seems like the designers were trying to achieve something similar with the belt buckle logo. As I mentioned earlier, I think this choice was a mistake, as it makes the groinal area altogether too busy from a design standpoint. The chest shield should be the boldest, most visually arresting part of the costume. And why they decided to go with the smaller shield, I have no idea.

I think it’s a mistake, too – because if your character is an Übermensch, good taste requires that you at least keep “S s” off the costume.

Still, I don’t think most people are going to sweat it, any more than they’re going to worry overmuch that their eyes are being drawn to our hero’s spandexed pudendum.

I just don’t understand how people can spend time on this.

It’s better, I think, to see that Superman has a schlong than to not see it and wonder if it’s either tucked under (or somesuch) or if maybe he isn’t such a Super"Man" after all.

I mean, let’s face it, all men have one. It’s when you can’t see it that I start to worry.

Actually, I think that’s a plus (if he turns out to be any good). Superman is such an iconic character that it’s best that we should only see Superman- rather than seeing a familiar face, a favorite actor for whom we have many other memories and associations, playing the role of Superman.

The use of an unknown can actually be a tool in some cases, the effect being that it’s all about the character rather than being about the actor.

DataZak, you very well may have said the same thing about Christopher Reeve in 1978. How familiar were American audiences with Hugh Jackman before meeting Wolverine?

I can’t believe I’m answering this, as usually I don’t pay much attention to the costumes.

That’s not quite a lie, I pay attention to how the costumes are filled out more than anything else.

At first I was ready to disagree with Terrifel about not liking the shorts, and in fact I rather do like them as the high cut does make Superman look like a Grandpa.

But, ah yes here’s the but, the new cut of the shorts makes Superman look short. They cut him off at the crotch, whereas the Reeves design was more streamlined and thus makes him look tall.

So we have a problem here. Either we have the shorts which reveal all and make him look tall, or we have ones that make him look short and keep it all in.

So I don’t love the new shorts for different reasons from Terrifel, but they don’t strike me as bad except for the making him seem shorter. Of course that could easily be mitigated if the actor is a good one and pulls it off better than how it looks in the photo. It can be a hard thing to judge from still photos.

The main issue for me with those is that it dates the film. Like Daredevil–while it isn’t going to be something that lasts twenty years anyhow–if you were to pop that in 20 years down the road, you’d be sitting there looking at Jennifer Garner going “Damn you’re hot, but gosh damn it woman, get some pants that aren’t half falling off! How the hell can you fight crime in that?!”
Just as the “above the bellybutton” undies date the super-old outfit, these are going to end up making this costume have the shelf life of Britney Spears.

Truly one of the most horrible memories of the last ten years (before low-cuts came back into fashion was the end of Alien(s?)) was where Ripley sports her plumbers moon about at the end due to a case of panties that had all of an inch and half rise. “Damn you’re fine, but damn it woman why the hell do you want your ass to remind me of some fat plumber dude’s sticking out from under the flooding toilet?”