Is it more emotionally devastating for a woman than a man, to be rejected for looks?

In the interesting cafe thread linked below, there are people who disagree with my opinion, that socially and culturally, women are more emotionally invested in their attractiveness than men are, and would be more hurt by being directly and explicitly rejected by an attractive man, because of their relative lack of attractiveness.

“Average Joe”: Would they have the guts to reverse the sexes?

Do you agree or disagree? Are men just as hurt by being rejected due to looks? Do women who don’t receive interested approaches in appropriate social contexts like bars, dances, nightclubs and parties perceive this as tantamount to rejection due to their looks? Would it be more emotionally devastating for a women to be directly told she’s not attractive enough to be of interest to someone, vs a man being told this?

Depends on the man, and depends on the woman.

I personally don’t get much of my self-worth from my appearance (which I would describe as “reasonably attractive”). This is not to say that I don’t think about what I wear, etc., just that it’s not where most of my self-image is invested.

I’ll be honest that I can’t speak for men, since I’m a woman. But as a woman, I will tell you this: whenever I’ve been romantically rejected or ignored by men, I’ve always assumed it to be on account of my looks (call me Average Jane here: I’m neither gorgeous nor hideous – I have my pretty aspects and my not so pretty ones), that I wasn’t wanted because I wasn’t goodlooking enough. I’m confident that I’ve “got it” in the departments of intelligence, personality, character and depth, so it has to have been my looks which got me rejected. Yes, it’s devastating, even when I’d tell myself, “if he can’t appreciate you for your INNER beauty, then he’s not worth your time!”

I’ll tell you why I think this is, i.e., that a woman would be more upset by rejection on account of looks than a man would. In the thread you attached, it was suggested by some that women were used to being judged by their physical attractiveness, while men were more accustomed (than women, anyway) to “taking the shot” and but being blown off. I agree with these suggestions, but I would add the following, based on my own observations and experience:

Sexually speaking, it is in the nature of the human male to respond more to visual cues (looks) than anything else which might make a woman desirable as a romantic companion (intelligence, personality, and so on), whereas women respond more to tactility and affection from their men. A man doesn’t have to be goodlooking for his hugs to feel good to a woman, or for him to a good lover who satisfies her both emotionally and physically. This NOT to say that ALL men desire only brainless women who look like Playboy Playmates (or that they’re all incapable of appreciating intelligent women with depth and character), or that women don’t respond to goodlooking men either (when I don’t have a boyfriend, the sight of a goodlooking guy when I’m out somewhere will turn my head too). But it is to say that the majority of men base their initial standards of “attractive women” on how the women LOOK, meaning that if they don’t like how a woman looks, they’re a lot less inclined to investigate what else she might have to offer.

And, when it comes to romantic relationships, what’s the difference between one of those and a friendship? The SEXUAL aspect, of course. If someone has no romantic interest in you, it means that for whatever reason he or she finds you sexually undesirable. So, again from my POV as a woman who knows that looks are primarily what inspires a man’s sexual interest, it’s devastating to be rejected or ignored because you look like Average Jane rather than a “hot chick.”

A woman, on the other hand, tends to have other interests in a man besides his looks, as a rule anyway. Yes, if the guy is goodlooking, it helps, but if his good looks are most or all of what he’s got to offer, she’ll probably lose interest a lot faster than she would with a less visually but more emotionally and intellectually appealing specimen.

Can’t speak for men here but being as I’ve been overweight my entire life, I would assume (in my single days) that any rejection I got from a guy WAS because of my looks. This is because 100% of the time, that was the case. Like the woman who posted before me, I HAVE it in the brains/personality department. Any man would be lucky to have me. But, sadly, most guys I know will NOT overlook what they consider to be substandard appearance, even for the funniest, most intelligent girl in the world. I’m not downing guys for that, I think they are wired that way. If a girl isn’t attractive to them, they won’t bother to look further before making a decision about romance.

Yes, it hurts, but when you’re rejected all your life because of your appearance, you come to expect it and get used to it. I think I would have been more bothered if a guy rejected me because I wasn’t smart enough or something. Imagine the conflicting feelings I had when I first met my husband, who thought I was beautiful. I still have a hard time with that.

Beautiful women know they are beautiful. I don’t care how nice the pretty girl is, she knows she’s hot. Women who are considered unattractive also know they are considered “inferior,” too. Men – not so much.

I submit that it would be harder to find 10 women who are considered unattractive to go on TV and be on a show like Average Joe than it would to find 10 men to do it. The women are gonna know that they are being used and they’re gonna know that they’re going to be turned down in favor of whichever girl on the show happens to be cutest.

In my observation, there are a lot of unattractive guys out there who honestly don’t think they are unattractive, and just can’t imagine why any girl wouldn’t fall all over themselves to get to him.

I can’t speak for men. As a woman, rejection hurts no matter what the reason–but I’d rather it be for my looks than to find out I wasn’t smart enough, witty enough, etc.

I guess somewhere around age 30 I realized that time and gravity were doing me no favors appearance-wise. I’m going to get older, grayer, more wrinkly, and my bottom will likely expand! If you don’t like what you see now, it’s not getting any better–so I may as well find out right away that I don’t rate high enough on the looks chart.

Also, like twickster, I don’t base a lot of my self esteem on my appearance. I do what I can to make the most of what I’ve got, and don’t really worry about where I still may fall short.

But to be rejected for some part of me that I do value highly–that would really smart!

im a man and i’d say yes. Men have alot of attributes that can make them attractive to women. They can be rich, powerful, confident, tall, intelligent, well educated, etc. Looks are just one factor among many. Women’s attractiveness is usually judged (in the initial phases of a relationship) solely on looks. To be rejected based on that is to close many more doors than would be closed with a man. A man can just fake like hes rich or self confident to compensate for his ugliness.

You really have to differentiate between hetero and gay men, and between hetero and gay women. Most women seem to be able to overlook a lot more than most men, so hetero men and lesbians have got it a lot easier than hetero women and gay men.

I’d be interested in hearing from people who are bisexual, regarding how men vs. women respond to their physical appearance.

Define “looks”. As I understand it, beauty can come in many different guises. When I was a teenager, I used to fret about my looks a lot, in the sense that I was never going to be that blond, long limbed, big-titted goddess that the average man, or horny teenage boy at least, seems to look for. While my girlfriends always would have their tongues down some boys throat by 10 pm at parties, I’d be the one stuck in the corner nervously peelling the label of my coke bottle.
But I’ve since come to realise, once I left the narrow confines of school and got out into the wider world, that there are as many male versions of beauty as their are women to fill them. So, personally, being rejected for my looks wouldn’t bother me in the slightest- if you do like what I’ve got to offer, it’s your loss, I’ve met plenty who do. (well, mainly one, but he is enough- I know he sincerly thinks I’m the most beautiful creature on the face of the earth, and that makes me feel so good that some days I believe him.)

I suspect that formerly, at least in North America, women were much more invested in looks than men. I also suspect that this is changing, and soon everyone will be insecure about their looks.

Being a guy, I can’t speak for women, but I think the worst thing is to be rejected and not know why.

As a non-movie-star-type guy, I am resigned to being rejected by women, but I’m not sure how much of that is due to looks and how much is due to other factors, such as eccentricity, differences of interest, lack of wealth, lack of social skills, lack of interpersonal chemistry, or just general incompatibility.

Amen to that. I think women in the past have been under much more pressure to look a certain way, and still are, but this as changed some in the last ten years.

As for me, I really dislike threads like this, because they invite so much random generalization, and because I can’t help but to join in it.
Personally, I would agree that rejection hurts for either sex about the same no matter the reason. Rejection is rejection. As for men being “hard-wired” like this and that. . .I really don’t buy it. Personally, I don’t bother flirting with really attractive women, because I just assume they’re after equally hot guys. I’m pretty choosy about who I go after, and the result is that I am rarely rejected; I know who “my” type is, I know what my personal strenghts and weaknesses are, and I leverage all of those things.

Obviously, really attractive people would have an easier time of just going into a bar and picking up some stranger, but who lives like that their entire lives? Guys (especially immature ones) might notice attractive women more, and compete more for her, but that is because men are expected to be the agressors in initiating inter-sex relationships. I know very few women–plain or ugly–who at any given age has tried to initiate something with men as much as any given man of the same age has with women. The end result is that hot women get a lot of guys after them, but hot guys will probably sit there by themselves unless they initiate something with a woman.
Granted, their odds (of getting laid, a phone number, or just her name) might be better, but they still have to do the ice-breaking.
After that, I think intelligent men and women both tend to look for the same things in someone they would want to know for more than one night.

Yes, I definitely feel that it is more upsetting for a hetero woman (and probably also for gay men). I feel that most men’s standards for “too ugly to date” are far more rigid than most women’s standards are, so an ugly woman is generally going to face a lot more rejection than a comparably ugly man. Naturally, it hurts more to be rejected if it happens time after time.

I am a fat girl myself and I feel that most men view me as ugly (even though, to my OWN eyes, I’m not so bad really, and I guess that’s the important thing). I’m sure there are some guys who would reject me for personality differences even if I were God’s gift to men’s eyes, but I feel that the vast majority of guys rejected me based on looks alone. Online personals have made it easy to judge how my appearance affects men’s perceptions of me. I’ve had a fair number of guys who started out very interested in me, seemed to click with my personality, but once I mentioned being overweight or sent my photo they backpedaled and decided they weren’t interested after all. I think that prejudice against unattractive women is ESPECIALLY prevalent with men around my age (early 20s).

The twist to the story is…earlier this year I had weight loss surgery. NOT the gastric bypass you hear so much about, which I view as too risky for myself, but the less radical Lap-Band procedure. Now the pounds are coming off slowly but surely.
Everyone who has witnessed my transition agrees that I’m looking better and better as the months go by.
However, I still have issues with men because of the rejection I’ve faced as a fat girl. It is easy to think most men are shallow jerks when you’re a fat girl, and even if I will be thin enough to be “accepted” by a shallow jerk, do I really want him?

lavenderviolet, keep the pic of you when you were still fat. When answering an ad, send that one. If he bolts, you’ve just weeded out a loser. If he is still interested, you’ve got a guy who is looking for more than just T&A.

How true is that though? Is he a loser purely because he doesn’t want a fat girl (hey I’m no slim Jim myself) How much control do we have over what we find sexually actractive? Blondes don’t do it for me. I don’t have any good reason why I just never fancied a blonde.

I don’t know if you guys have been watching “Average Joe”, but it seemed to me that a lot of the guys, after being rejected, chalked it up to appearance issues. A big example (no pun intended) was, I think, her second cut, where most of the men she sent home were overweight. I think most of them pointed this out and seemed depressedly resigned to it. I tend to think that overweight men are rejected as often as overweight women, maybe even more so as it’s been pointed out that men are expected to take more chances in the dating world. There’s a difference, IMHO, between being passively rejected (i.e. NOT hit on) versus being actively rejected (i.e. someone turning you down). Maybe women get more of the former and men more of the latter?

I’ve always been overweight, and before now, I never really made a concerted effort to lose weight. Honestly, if I were single, I would have the same concern. Luckily, I am married, and my husband loves me for who I am, so now it’s “safe” for me to try to take off the pounds. Twisted, huh?

And to answer the OP, sure, rejection’s painful (and more commonly based on looks, IMO) for a woman, but after a while you just get philosophical about it. Anyway, just like your mom told you, if he doesn’t like you for who you are then he’s not worth your time.

I’m going to “me too” here and say that I have always assumed that if I was rejected by a man, that it was because of my looks, or lack thereof, that I wasn’t pretty enough, slim enough, blonde enough for him and so on.

I don’t know if that translates to being more “devastated” though. I think (as the posts in this thread seem to bear out) that we sort of “expect” it, or are at least pretty philosophical about it. I mean, rejection hurts no matter what the reason.

If the guys who had “dumped” us could come back and tell us “hey it wasn’t that you weren’t pretty enough, “it” just wasn’t there” would it make us have hurt less at the time? Not likely.

I think that IRL, as is echoed in the Cafe thread’s mentions of the smart/beautiful woman & the lucky bastard situations that men are more accustomed to getting what they want insofar as a woman based on merit rather than looks.

In other words, power, personality and money have a lot more pull for a greater number of women, than looks do.

I mean, look at Woody Allen if you don’t believe me. How many 19 year old girls would be throwing themselves at him if he had no power or fame? He’s a weird-looking little pervert.

Who also happens to be extremely intelligent and powerful.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to work the other way around. I don’t notice many men hovering around Leona Helmsely or Martha Stewart.

OK, here’s the other side of the coin: I was dating a much younger man over the summer, in a non-serious way. He broke it off because he fell in love with a girl closer to his age. I fretted about the possibility that he rejected me for a paper-thin, waif-like 22 young thang, and then I met her… and she was most definitely not better looking, thinner, or prettier than I am. In fact, I’d call her aggressively plain and not doing the best she could with what she has.

So he rejected me not based on my looks but because he liked this other woman’s personality better. Now THAT would be devastating, if I really wanted a relationship with him, which I didn’t (he was a doofus but fun for a fling). I’d much rather be rejected for a woman who I could dismiss as just eye candy than rejected for a homely girl who obviously has some key personality traits that I lack. It’s all about your perspective.

This is an interesting point. I think the “overweight” issue goes beyond what people find attractive. There are all the health issues to consider, as well as the mobility issues.

As many studies point out, there is a natural tendency to pick as an attractive feature, one that spells out “good health” in the prospective mate. It’s instinct, that little bit of reptilian brain still plonking around in there somewhere, trying to insure the survival of the species.

There are some standard signs of “beauty”. Clear skin, proper distance between eyes, overall fitness.

For women, that all important hip to waist ratio. Even “chunky” girls can score if they’ve got that all important hip to waist ratio properly proportioned.

Other than that, there are other reasons why people have a reaction like that to overweight people, subconsciously and aside from the “attractiveness” issue, is the “how active could this person be,”? Also “would they get heavier and heavier (and therefore less healthy) as they aged”? And so on.

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that a fairly large group of the opposite sex doesn’t find overweight people attractive. I haven’t been watching the show, but I knew, just from the previews that this girl would likely pass on the heavy guys. She’s very fit herself, so she’s likely looking for someone who will share her views and experience with being fit and slim. As well as someone whom she finds sexually attractive.

Most unattractive folks know who they are. If they get their feelings hurt because of rejection stemming from same it’s probably not a blind-side.

I’d say that people who are crushed following a rejection tend to blame the person doing the rejecting, and they project the excuse onto the rejector that fits their own beliefs about themselves. I once blind-dated a young lady–dinner & movie kind of thing. When I met her, yeah, she was a blueberry, but I wasn’t cruising for a hot piece of ass at the time–just trying to expand my circle of friends. Quite frankly, she looked pretty normal compared to the majority of my acquaintances at the time. (Honest! She really did have an otherwise sweet disposition and a kind face–if she could just have shut up about bein’ fat…)

I couldn’t stand her. She was self conscious, constantly referring to her girth and what a bummer it must be for me to be seen with her, etc. Now, I ain’t as good lookin’ as Lyle Lovett, but I’m certainly no 6’3 chiseled features man-o-film either. Just a guy. Kinda short really. Bit of shine on the old forehead, too.

The date couldn’t end soon enough as far as I was concerned. She had allowed her personality to be so completely absorbed by her one flaw that I couldn’t drag anything else about herself out of her. And here’s the fun part–next day I get a call from the matchmaker bitchin’ me out for being rude & narrow minded about being seen with a fat chick. Evidently it wan’t bad enough that my date couldn’t handle the fact that she was a whiny blob of nothing, she had to pin her failure on MY (imagined) bad nature.

Anyways, that’s my take on the OP. I have absolutely no use for people who, unless they have been specifically told that their appearance is the reason (dude, you got 6 toes on one foot!), decide that their appearance has been their downfall. Look around you, Uggas & Babes are together everywhere. And I’ll go one step further. It’s been my experience that strikingly attractive men or women are often narcissistic and obsessed with their appearance–a tiresome quality for those of us who aren’t.

Being male, I would say I would be much more devastated if I was rejected because I wasn’t intelligent/bright enough. Although, alot of my male friends are certainly more obessed with the way they look.