So wait a second here.
MY typo is now a new Clique[sup]TM[/sup] code word?
SHA-WEEEEEEET!!
This means I’m in, right?
Esprix! Ah-ahhh!
Defender of the Gay universe!
Exprix! Ah-ahhh!
He’ll save every one of us!
Esprix! Ah-ahhh!
One-Trick-Pony indefatigable!
Exprix! Ah-ahhh!
King of the illogical!
[Esprix, we can’t possibly stop them all!]
All gay every one of us!
He sprays his ten posts at us!
Every man, every gay
mann, hey man you’re lookin’ mighty fine!
[Think of all the cocks left to chug – You’ve got to save them, Esprix!]
He’s just a gay man (ooh)
With a heart of a giant
just ask the fine gay man (ooh)
No logic can hold him (but I can)
The defender with style
Hold your Exhidna high, for
Esprix!
Well, if we’re doing show tunes…
*I am what I am
I am my own special creation
So come take a look
Give me the hook or the ovation
It’s my world
And I want to have a little pride in
My world
And it’s not a place I have to hide in
Life’s not worth a damn
Till you can say
I am what I am
*
Well, if we’re doing show tunes…
*I am what I am
I am my own special creation
So come take a look
Give me the hook or the ovation
It’s my world
And I want to have a little pride in
My world
And it’s not a place I have to hide in
Life’s not worth a damn
Till you can say
I am what I am
*
But also…
“The world goes as men make it go; and men are free to make it go otherwise, if they have the courage.”
What do I win? 
You’re in, but you don’t get any pretzels either.
:sound of breaking glass from above. from the broken skylight drops a rope. down slides DALOVIN’ DJ - masked urban vigalante – landing next to the OP:
D’L’DJ:
I’ll drop some suppressing fire for you on this one.
:dramatic theme music plays from speakers on DALOVIN DJ’s power suit. he looks to PHLIP and whispers:
D’L’DJ:
How much do you weigh?
PHLIP:
How much do. . I. . weigh?
D’L’DJ:
Yeah. This is an extraction mission. Your outgunned here. Take this. . .
:*unclips device (connected to rope) from his belt, hands to PHLIP. *:
D’L’DJ:
That will get you to the roof - where you’ll find my Bumpin’ Contraption. Don’t worry. . . it can fly. Take it to a safe thread far from here.
PHLIP:
But how will you get out?
:*looks around at those gathered about. dramatic pause. *:
D’L’DJ:
I’m going out the front door.
This comic book stuff is fun! If these cats have this little league of super-posters, I guess that makes me the jaded free agent working in the thriving gotham setting. Like Batman in “The Dark Night Returns” graphic novels, who shows the establishment (represented by Superman), the supposed “good guys”, that they are being foolish and thick-headed. It will take one masked vigilante, armed only with his wits and the latest in Stereo equipment to show them the error of their ways. . . . . Well, you get the point.
See, I’ve disagreed with the majority of posters on this board about this particular issue for a long time. I’m of the opinion that what a person actually means is what’s important. If I call my friend . . . say . . … “a fucking bitch”, cause he won’t get out of bed and come hang with the cool kids, what do I mean? I mean that he is being less than brave. He lacks a sense of adventure and the drive to get out of bed and this is worthy of mocking . Which is really an attempt to rally him up and prove me wrong so that we may hang out and have much revelry. I don’t mean that women are that way – even though bitch is derogatory for woman. I don’t mean that female dogs are that way – even though it can also have that meaning. I’m just talking about him at that moment without reference to any of those other issues. How can the person who is speaking know the difference? Well, if it isn’t obvious, you can ask a fucking question! What a surprise! Using communication to understand what someone means!
“Hey, do you have a prejudice against gay people?”
“No, I just use the word to mean lame, soft, weak, or cheesy without making any judgements about gay people. It’s just a word I use to try to convey my thoughts.”
“So do you think gay people are lame and cheesy?”
“No.”
Wow. Look at that. Words used as tools to convey meaning and clear up a misunderstanding. Shocker. But instead of a reasonable exchange the high horses come out and we’ve got a pile-on, burning insults, some of the funniest (yet cruel) armchair psychology I’ve seen in a while (which I have had a thread closed over!), a poster ready to quit, and PC attitudes being wielded like a glowing sword of righteousness striking down the evil heathen. Bullshit. The only love that’s righteous is the love of truth, and the truth is that to use the word gay as a derogatory term does not have to mean that you think being gay is a bad thing. But the bigot card gets played anyway, and folks feels free to be as big of a dick as they can, while they point out how much better people they are. Real cute.
That said, a clip dropped, I would offer the following advice to you, Phlip (whose screen name I like – having a creatively spelled version of existing words as a screen name myself – I read it as a bastardized “flip” as in the attitude). Fuck it. It ain’t worth it. This battle, while perhaps justified, offers little chance of changing these people’s minds. And the thing is there are some really intelligent people here, with much to offer and teach, who take big offense to this. I think they are taking PC to absurdly foolish levels, but I like to talk to them about a lot of other issues and want their input when I ask a question/start a thread. So out of respect, I’ve agreed not to use the word gay in a derogatory sense when posting. I don’t agree with their reasoning, but there are plenty of other fun words to use. I don’t swear in front of my mother, and I don’t use the word gay derogatorily on the SDMB. It’s easy, really.
Given a reasonable person, I’ll say whatever the hell I want. I swear, I like polish jokes, black jokes, gay jokes, hooker jokes, mama jokes, irish jokes, sex jokes, and I have a lot of friends who feel the same way without being racists. I don’t like racists/bigots, but am able to recognize what people really mean, instead of what I want them to mean, so that I can justify a self-righteous attack. By the strange logic presented by some kids here, the only jokes I should be able to tell of the above are the Irish ones because I am an Irish white kid. Whatever. Here’s one for you:
Q How do you make an Irishman’s tounge black?
A. Poor whiskey on a freshly tarred road.
Hey it’s OK! I’m Irish! :rolleyes:
Anyway, Phlip, just let this one go. Take what you can that is good from here and ignore that which is foolish. I used to post in the Pit a lot, but I started to get the feeling that a lot of people use it just to feel like they are better than others, and I’m not really down. I’m sure I’ll get flamed and attacked in a petty fashion – I’m sure I won’t be let down.
And as far as being annoyed by Esprix, welcome to the SDMB. It’s a part of it, unfortunately. I have found that the Ignore List works wonders. Again, take what’s good and ignore people who act like bitches. Good luck to you. I wouldn’t leave the board altogether, just this thread.
And just because I gave you the Kim Basinger role in my Batman parody doesn’t mean I’m gay. By the way, that is a pretty silly question to ask anyone in my book.
DaLovin’ Dj
Strictly as a side note to this train wreck and it’s just MHO, but having persued Phlip’s posts in this thread I strongly suspect that in addition to having a “black father”, a “gay brother” and a “daughter” I don’t think Phlip is any more than 15 to 17 years old tops IRL. For someone who probably can’t even drive yet he’s done a pretty good job of riling everyone up.
And once again you’re missing the point, dalovindj. The context is important. You have license with your personal friends to insult and cavort in any terms you wish. However, when dealing with others whom will take offense it is appropriate to adjust you language so as not to come off as an asshole (unless that is your intention).
Ace, I’m not sure whether to be flattered or not.
dj, what happened to our mutual non-agression pact? And why do you keep breaking it?
Fenris, I have an original script from “Carrie: The Musical” - top that! 
Esprix
I think dalovindj made an awful lot of very good points. Then again, I wasn’t thrilled with the pile-on (“It wasn’t a pile-on! We were just defensing ourselves repeatedly from someone whose opinion means nothing to us anyhow!” or something) anyhow.
Heh. Instead of heaving yourselves at one person on one message board - a person who means less than nothing to all of you anyhow (or so you’ve implied) - go through the PVP Comic archive and then blast THEM. They have an actual audience and have an effect on many more people with their use of “That is SO gay!” than Phlip does.
You really want to fight ignorance? Picking on this ONE guy (who isn’t even listening to you any more) in this ONE forum (which the pile-on-ers (and me and dalovindj) are the only ones reading any more anyhow) on this ONE board (where a bunch of people seem to agree with you anyhow) is not the way to go about it, kids.
DJ: A question: no flames, no attacks, just a question. If you don’t mind using the word “Gay” to mean “lame”, how do you feel about the phrase “Jew you down” as in “He really jewed you down”?
Seriously, 'cause I wouldn’t use either phrase as I think both of 'em are demeaning, and I’m wondering if you would use the phrase and your feelings about it.
Fenris
I think this is a shame. I wish that a question and a clarification actually were worth something. Ultimately, it’s not. This is unfortunate IMO, but you are correct. If you’re in a room with a bunch of people who are offended by something you said, and you lose nothing by not being saying it, then you should refrain. It doesn’t mean the people aren’t foolish for getting upset by what a person didn’t say. It just makes you polite.
By the way, I am arguing for him to not use the word that way here, as I said in my last post - so we really aren’t in disageement here. Where we part ways is in our opinions of how reasonable such offense taking is.
DaLovin’ Dj
Ok. I have the CDs of both the Barbara Cook version AND the Betty Buckley version (as well as some rehersals and tidbits that a well-meaning, but…er…naive… friend got me. (“Um…thanks! I really appreciate it,but I didn’t WANT to get a bootleg.”/“It can’t be a bootleg. I got it through eBay and they don’t allow bootlegs on eBay. They HAVE to be originals!”)
Nyaah. (and Cook is better than Buckley. Duh. 
)
Fenris
I have a bootleg of the 1994 workshop production of RENT.
- s.e.
Never mind this stuff - get back to the show tunes.
Regards,
Shodan
Shibby
But I don’t know any showtunes except “La Vie Bohème” and “The Phantom of the Opera.”
I can join the gay clan, though, if nobody minds that I’ll be wearing my Clan Macdonald tartan. We’re not in a blood fued with anyone, are we? I’m already supposed to kill all Campbells in revenge for the Massacre of Glencoe in 1692 
scott I b’lieve you’re missing the point about the collections.
Rent was/is a popular and by most reviewers, good, musical.
Carrie is the apex of the bad, as in “not since Carrie has this reviewer seen such a travesty of musicals…”
so, the point was not the particular type of memerobilia, it was that it came from Carrie
K, Phlip said a lot of stupid stuff, but one thing I’ve gotta defend him on is the use of “gay” as an adjective.
In my workplace we throw around phrases like “that’s so gay” and “you homo!” all the time.
We also throw around phrases like “don’t be a pussy” and “you throw like a girl”. I’ve never taken it personally because its a figure of speech and not an attack on my character or femininity or what-have-you.
thx
Ouisey
Hamadryad, unless you have magically become the Arbiter of Posting Standards and Practices, you have no privileged position to madate the way in which ignorance may be fought. If one perosn thinks about the way he used the word “gay” in conversation, then this thread will have been worth the baby electrons that were killed to make it.
And how, pray, do you determine who is reading a given thread? What powers do you have to tell the audience for a thread?
DJ, you are in the wrong here.
See, you completely mangled the point you were trying to make. Yes, you are right that it is intent that makes a word offensive, but you are wrong in saying that no bad intent exists when people use “gay” in a negative way. Fenris pointed out the phrase, “Jew somebody down”; what about a phrase I heard growing up that was used when somebody made unorthodox or sloppy emergency repairs to machinery: “nigger rig,” as in “The front axle of Jim-Bob’s new Trans Am is messed up, but he nigger rigged it to work until he can get it to the garage.”
Do you think that phrase is acceptable? After all, it isn’t about black people.