Why is it so hard to comprehend that when an entire community identifies as “gay” and you go around using the word “gay” to mean derogatory things it is offensive? I think Fenris’ “jew” question is a valid one.
And it is, at least by this poster, appreciated - thank you.
In case you missed it, he’s proud of the fact that he’s offensive. How would clarification in this case help?
Isn’t revealing who is on your Ignore List a bannable offense?
Esprix
Oh, gee, I forgot - I’m being ignored. :rolleyes:
Esprix
Andrew Lloyd fucking Webber? ::shudder::
I know tons of showtunes by heart (and all of RENT, btw)… I’ve written tons of showtunes. How gay am I? 
wring,
Well, I don’t have any memorabilia from it save for a ticket stub, but I saw a bus-and-truck tour of Starlight Express.
It was so small that the race scenes were filmed ahead of time and shown on a screen at the back of the stage.
Ugh.
I don’t have a problem with the term “jewed” or “nigger-rigged” if there is no hatred intended. I can see where clarification would probably be required if you didn’t know the person. Once you get a “no” that you believe to be sincere, I think it’s silly to play semantics around what they did not mean with the intention of making them out to be a bigot, even when they are not a bigot. Call me crazy (or whatever other insults you would like to think up). I will concede that you will get your ass kicked if you use these in the wrong company, but I will not condone said beatings.
DaLovin’ Dj
If “gay” is the first word that come into your mind that accurately describes those things, maybe it says more about your feelings towards gay people than you realize.
What’s wrong with actually using the words “lame,” “soft” or “cheesy”? Why is “gay” a more accurate descriptor than any of those words?
It’s like someone who describes something filthy and broken as “ghetto” claiming it implies no value judgement concerning black people and poor people. Or claiming that describing an improvized repair job as “nigger-rigged” says nothing about blacks. Well, of course it does, and it doesn’t fool anyone to claim otherwise.
Well, I rode this E-ticket ride to the end of the line. I read a lot of the pit threads, but I don’t post in too many.
I don’t know if Phlip will be back or not and don’t care. He was a troll and deserved everything he got. Hopefully he learned something, even if it is only the correct use of “its” VS “it’s”.
I was also glad to read that The Big Alien Brain has everything under control, and that the defenders are on the job.
Now for my bitch:
:eek:
Fenris I’m sure you meant no harm, but please, do not besmirch the character of us toads by comparing us with trolls.
DT
Like calling my friend a bitch shows how I feel about women? No, I think you are wrong here. More armchair psychology. Are you trying to imply that I secretly or subconciously don’t like gay people? Well, you are wrong if that is the case.
Homosexuals can be gay (meaning lame), but not all of them are. My high school drama teacher (a real flamer and a good friend), was alot of fun and helped me quite a bit. But I tell you, his office was so damn cheesy - Wizard of Oz shit everywhere, flowered wall paper, movie memorbilia, echhh. Think “Waiting for Guffman”: the scene at the end when he’s in his New York store. On the flipside, a friend of mine from college was a big tough trucker looking type, also homosexual, who liked football, fast cars, gangster flicks and had a pad that was pimp. No flowery cheese all over the place. When I use the word gay meaning lame I am not making a statement about both of these people. Some may percieve that I am, but they are incorrect. My intention is only to mock cheesy shit, not to mock the sexual choices of others. No hidden motives and no repressed hatred here. Sorry to disappoint.
Does calling someone a cock-smoker as an insult imply that I hate everyone (including women) who smoke cock? I assure you the answer is no. There are a hell of alot of women I like quite a bit. Especially if they smoke cock. It’s still a good insult and a fun phrase.
DaLovin’ Dj
pldennison, you rock. It has always seemed to me that if one has to explain everything one says because no one understands one (particularly in the medium of the written word), then one’s goal - namely, communication - has been thwarted by one’s own hand, n’est-ce pas? Evidently others find being “colorful” more important than effectively communicating.
Esprix
(Which is particularly ironic considering one chooses to be “colorful” in order to promote communication, when it actually hinders it.)
Hell, I learned to be homophobic before I learned what homophobia was. That’s just the way it is when you’re ten years old, and it sticks for a bit.
When I say, “that’s pretty gay”, it doesn’t mean that I’m a homophobe.
It means that I’m an insensitive prick.
Tir Tinuviel, you win my respect (but you would have had it simply for choosing that name, anyway) and my gratitude. But don’t reveal the source here, on penalty of incurring the wrath of Hastur!
Phlip, I have serious doubts about you having a gay best friend, and if you have a gay brother, it seems unlikely that you communicate with him much, or at least about anything meaningful to him. Because somewhere along the line you seem to have missed the point that being gay, as far as I can determine from gay IRL friends and the folks on this board, is not a question of whom you have sex with, but of the life you live. If you fell in love with, say, a buxom blonde named Heather, and about 90% of all buxom blondes despised you for lusting after them, while most of the world figured that you wanted nothing else out of Heather but a good fuck (and maybe a blowjob), and didn’t realize that you wanted to spend the rest of your life with her – in bed and out, playing cards, going to movies, sitting back and listening to music, driving cross-country and enjoying the places that you go to together, etc., and keeps telling you that if you really wanted to, you could change and lust after men instead, would you not have a major hassle with the idea that the world judges you and condemns you for being a blondelover – and makes those false assumptions about you?
Now, here’s the hard part: having assimilated that idea, can you stretch your mind far enough to grasp that that is exactly how gay people feel?
Or is it that you don’t give a shit about anybody but yourself? Because that, far more than anything you could say about the people in this thread, is truly pathetic. And I feel sorry for you if that is indeed the case.
Ooo, harsh words from Polycarp. :shudder:
Esprix
“…unless you have magically become the Arbiter of Posting Standards and Practices, you have no privileged position to madate the way in which ignorance may be fought.”
And unless you have, gobear, you have no privileged position from which to mandate how I should post.
These arguments - essentially a mild form of “who died and made YOU Pope?” - accomplish nothing but ill will. And I have no desire to feel ill will toward you, gobear.
You know, dj, if it was just you I wouldn’t care. I’d think it was kinda cute… “oh, look, he’s using gay to be synonymous with ‘bad’.”
But it’s not just you, it’s a whole culture, learning to associate the word ‘gay’ with things that are lame, or cheesy, or soft. Do you think it doesn’t make things harder for a kid trying to come to terms with his sexuality to have heard the word ‘gay’ used in a derogatory fashion all his life? Do you think that hearing all the losers and idiots in school get called ‘fag’ throughout his school career makes accepting his sexuality simple?
Here’s a simple rule of thumb which I try and use to be a better human being: if it might hurt people, and it’s unnecessary, don’t do it.
Forgive me. My parents were fans. They dragged me to “Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat” too, and regularly played their vinyl copy of “Jesus Christ Superstar.”
Actually, I suspect it was all part of an ex-gay program 
Well, I’d give you a 7 out of 6 on the Kinsey Scale 
And for acheiving an impossibly high score, you are now authorized to add either infrared or ultraviolet to your rainbow flag. The recruiting office will be sending you a four-slice toaster as a special bonus
Hamish,
I confess. I like ALW’s work up until after Cats. JCS is brilliant, and I think Evita is his best score. He was never better than when he worked with Tim Rice, whom I consider one of the most brilliant lyricists in the musical theatre.
Had to read that to a co-worker.
I apologize. How 'bout “You’re an annoying little worm”?
DJ:
But there’s a historical signifigance to those particular insults and to pretend otherwise is simplistic at best. Words mean more than their sounds. They have a history. To say “Jew someone down” carries the context that Jews are cheap and or crooked. To say
n*****-rig something implies that blacks are lazy and will do a half-assed job. To say that something is “gay” (as in lame) comes from the idea that a) gays are weak and b) gay behavior is inferior.
Fenris
EXCELLENT!!
I’m going to start making a fresh fruit flan for my first Super-Delux, Top-Secret, Evil-Things-Plotted-Against-Newbies Meeting[sup]TM[/sup] right now!
There ARESuper-Delux, Top-Secret, Evil-Things-Plotted-Against-Newbies Meeting[sup]TM[/sup]right?
While we’re at it, DJ, there was a brief, unfortunate trend when I was in High School. Some idiot jocks learned one phrase from history class “Raus, Juden!”
If they saw someone “slacking” in the halls or when there wasn’t a teacher around in the gym or library, they’d yell out “Raus! Juden, Raus!” As the son a victim of the Nazis, I don’t find that sort of trivialization of history funny, appropriate or clever.
I understand the fun of playing of playing with language, but there comes a point where it’s no longer playing.