I've just about given up hope...

Of course no woman is going to rearrange her whole life for you right now. It’s just not reasonable to expect anybody to rearrange their whole life for their friends, especially a very new friend. I mean, really, would you turn everything upside down for one of your buddies from the Circle K? Sure, there are some women who meet a guy and immediately turn their whole lives upside down to spend more time with him. By and large, though, these are not psychologically healthy women. Rather, they have a nearly pathological desperation for approval from the opposite sex. You don’t want to be involved with one of these women, darlin’, trust me.

That’s not to say that you have to resign yourself to living on the edges of your SO’s life. Far from it, in fact. As the relationship develops, priorities will shift somewhat, and you’ll both adjust things to make more time for each other. You can’t expect that sort of adjustment from someone you just met, though; you have to wait for the relationship to grow a certain amount first.

It sounds like you’ve got some pretty unrealistic expectations about sex, too. Yes, it’s a lot of fun, and it can be an incredibly intense psychological and emotional experience under the right circumstances. I’ll tell you, though, there ain’t anything life-changing about it, even under those circumstances. Being in a relationship is no guarantee of a regular supply of sex, as anyone who’s been through stressful times will tell you. And you know what? Dry spells are annoying, and often very frustrating, but they’re not the end of the world.

You want to talk about being weird by society’s standards? Okay, I’ll tell you about weird. I’m a newlywed, so I’m supposed to be having sex all the time, right? Well, I’m not. Because of conflicting work schedules and other stresses, we hardly ever have sex. Hell, at least two days a week, we pretty much never see each other at all when we’re both awake. A lot of people think this is seriously weird, bordering on not being a real marriage. However, those people aren’t me or my husband, so their opinions don’t matter a fiddler’s fuck. See, I’ve got two choices; I can worry about what everyone else thinks is normal and try to conform to that, or I can ignore them and continue to do what works for me and my life.

Actually, that applies to a whole lot of stuff in my life. I can worry about what society thinks of my hair, or lack of makeup, or clothes, or job, or education, or hobbies and make myself miserable, or I can value my own opinion more than theirs and do what works for me and be pretty happy.

Oh, and you need to ditch that “foot in the door” approach to friendship. Friendship with an ulterior motive isn’t friendship, and if I ever had an inkling you were trying such a tactic with me, your foot in the door would turn into a foot in the ass.

Oh, my mistake. In the future I’ll make it a point to only become friends with women I’m completely unattracted to.

Oh, if you want a girlie’s advice (I’m close to your age) feel free to message me on AIM, I’m blink178. I pride myself on my ability to give decent advice. I used to be a lot like you Monkey. Listen to the suggestions here. Scratch that, dont just listen to them, DO THEM! We’re all on your side here.

She’s also really hot. (See the “Show Yourself” thread) :wink:

True THAT. I confess my reaction after the first time was, “So that was IT? That’s what I’ve been obsessing about for YEARS?! Holy crap!”

Only later did we break out the handcuffs. And whipped cream. And the monkey. But that’s a tale for another time, my friends.

Monkey, stop feelin sorry for yourself. If knew you in person I’d kick your ass (as any of your real friends should do.) Get up, and talk to some chicks! Don’t just sit there, and feel sorry for yourself! Get up! Go out! Don’t be afraid anymore! Stop bein’ a pussy!

Monkey.

I’m sorry I arrived very late to this thread, and I’m not here to say that I will give you a better solution than the others, because all of the stuff they have given you is pretty valuable. But mine worths a look, too (you’ll have to forget ocassional mistypes, my native language is spanish).

My case isn’t exactly like yours. But it’s not the opposite, either. When I was your age (now I double yours) I was very popular, but I didn’t notice it. I used to have many female friends. But I wasn’t a “tiger” with ladies. Some of them like me as a man, some of them just as a friend. I had no problem to recognize when a girl wanted to be with me as a boyfriend. Years passed, I got married, had a son and got divorced four years ago.

Then, I thought I entered a “downward spiral”. I started to party and to mess around as never before. Met some girls, but nothing special. And suddenly, I found myself in a situation like yours: looking for that special woman. But she never comes. All people loose around only likes to party, to drink and having sex. I like very much computers, cinema and writing. I’m a kind of intellectual.

But I have something that you don’t have: experience. My experience teaches me that I don’t have to meet the edges. Edges are: very shy and very extroverted. I can’t be extroverted if I’m not capable to, but I can be very shy if I want it. You can only apparent to be extroverted. And that’s the trick. But to be extroverted, a popular guy, is very difficult if you don’t have the guts. You have to lose all your worries about embarrassment. For example. If you are clumsy, and you often feel embarrassed for your clumsiness, try to capitalize it. There’s a big difference of the stupid that is embarrased for being clumsy and the stupid who feels a little proud of being it. (To deal with embarrassment, read again the advicements by **raz ** and DeagantheWolf)

The same of being shy. Try, around your friends, to announce that you’re shy. When you met a new girl, announce her that you’re shy, and that’s because you’re not going to be too talkative or expressive. But try all jokes around your shyness and your clumsiness and every negative aspect you *think * you have.
Joke about yourself. Laugh at you. It’s not that bad. Not bad, it’s the best course. But laugh with dignity, with sense of humour, not with self-compassion. People (not only girls) don’t like that.

I’m not saying that she will fall in your arms right there, but that will be a start: at least she (or the ones that will follow) will begin to think that all your presumption of shyness and clumsiness is just a mask of modesty or that the acting hides something deeper. But after the acting, leave out. Don’t stand there expecting an immediate result.

Acting, this is. Forget all the shit about being “natural”. If you continue being natural, and you are naturally pessimist, depressed, etc., it won’t work. You’ll have to be natural in your principles, in the intimacy, when you have hooked a girl. The day you catch some attention, then be natural about you. Natural about the weirdness you may have, for example, if you snore, tell it, if you like to read comics in the WC, or even if you like to crack nuts and french potatoes inside one of your socks, or if you vomit when you drink, but what the hell? You’ll be brave and not be embarrassed. Being proud of anything, including if you are ugly (I don’t know if you are, but I suspect you’re not), you’ll have to be proud. Act the charming. Act it, then believe it yourself. Buy it yourself, before you can sell it to anyone. Slowly, you’ll begin being natural as a charming person. Not charming as Bogart or Cruise. Charming as yourself.

A very recommended reading (it helped me a lot in the past) is “Your Erroneous Zones”, by Wayne W. Dyer. Not his other books. That book. It’s pretty miraculous.

The most popular people in the world has his/her internal problems and “psychologic traumas”. And that “hiding” something will slowly turn to make you a little interesting at first. But I’m afraid you’re smarter than you look by your writing, you see? So next, you have to use your intelligence to develop your strategies on your own.

In other words, and resuming, you have to turn yourself lovely, capitalizing your defficiences and not being embarrassed for them. But start today. No, sorry, start right now.

If you feel this worths the pain, I would suggest you later how to teach the girls that you’re not interested in them. Believe me, it works. When you’re not after something, something is after you. Like the little cat trying to catch his own tail.

Saying things like that shows that you are completely unserious about the help the other posters in this thread are trying to give you. It seems you have intentionally misinterpreted CCL’s comment, which is not saying that you should only be friends with girls you find unattractive, but that you shouldn’t be friends with a girl solely for the sake of hooking up with her. This seemed completely obvious to me.

In fact, I get the feeling that the posters in this thread are wasting their time. This is at least the third thread you have posted on this exact topic, and you have been given so much good advice by smart and experienced people. How much of it have you actually followed? I know that I posted in one of your earlier threads, with recommendations based on my experience escaping from similar problems that you are going to. js_africanus and Scuba_Ben both gave you specific things to do RIGHT NOW which would help you improve your outlook and social situation, and yet I’m willing to bet that you haven’t done them. College is not high school; people judge you based on what you do, not what you’re like. People are considered nerds for sitting in their rooms not talking to anybody, not for liking computers. It’s only the beginning of your second semester, you have time to change the way you act and the way people see you, but nothing will change if you don’t listen to what people who know better tell you.

Soap, I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before, but are you involved in any clubs or orginizations on campus? My first year of college wasn’t that great, but during the summer when I took classes I got involved in a few campus leadership orginizations (school ambassador, PTK officer, SGA, ect.). With that came a huge circle of friends, and I fell right into it without a problem. I’m having a blast now, and I know the guys I am the closets to, and would consider dating or not necessary the guys I see in class and say two or three words to, but the ones that are in the same clubs I am that I’m with in meetings and activities with the group. I haven’t read everything, so if someone else mentioned it, I’m sorry. Just thought it might help. If you can learn to be comfortable with people/chicks in general, dating is the next step. I’m here for ya if you need any more advice (I like to think I’m a hottie like raz a few posts up, but I’m sure some won’t agree)

jesleigh,

The club is also where I met the girl I make mention to in the first post.

Honey, I’ve said it before in other threads, and I’ll probably wind up saying it again in still more threads: If you are pursuing a friendship with a woman purely because you’re hoping it will go farther, you are NOT her friend. You’re a manipulative schmuck who’s pretending to be her friend. If you don’t understand something as basic as that, you’re not likely to ever have many female friends, platonic or otherwise.

4 months? “Finally found a female friend”???

Finding friends and finding girlfriends are like water and oil. After years of college, yes everybody does have a plan, when in college. Your plans, like everybody elses are going to change dramatically. Shit doesn't happen, but change does. You either change with it, or run away.

Remeber that each girl is dfferent. No two people are the same. ANyway, why do you need a girlfriend now? You're busy. Concentrate on your needs. People in relationships don't change themselves, they only compromise to appease the other, something you don't do with friends. You get to argue, yell, disagree, and get drunk together, then go home, to YOUR needs, not thiers. This female friend you're friends with, is she a fulfillment to what you think you'll need in a relationship? Can you spend every day, night, and event together? By event, I mean everything from winning the lottery, to watching your house burn down.

Not to discourage, but four years after college, you probably won't see or hear from anyone you're friends with now. If you do, it's very infrequent. Your friends will need to find careers, jobs, places to live, get married, etc., just like you'll be doing. 

The world doesn't get smaller after college, it just gets more focused.

	Best --- Peter

Time to get right to the point, Soapbox Monkey.

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[li]Do you want to improve your situation?[/li][li]Or do you want only to complain about your situation?[/li][/ul]
From my own experience, complaining might make you feel a little less bad for a moment – putting forth the effort to improve your situation will make you feel much better for a lifetime.

If you want to improve your situation, please reread the various good suggestions in this thread, and tell us which ones you’re going to do, and when you’re going to do them.

So please tell us: What do you want?

I have admit…I’ve been lurking for a while and registered JUST to post in this thread.

SoapboxMonkey, the defeatist attitude that you have displayed in this thread alone (between the poor me’s and sarcastic, snarky replies to other posters) is the basis of your problem. If you have this attitude with other Dopers, it wouldn’t suprise me one bit if you talked this way IRL to other people.

Here’s something to consider…lots of people are annoyed/turned off by defeatism and undeserved snarkiness. Just be thankful that no one here seems to be taking your attitude to heart, seeing as how just about EVERYONE here has given you some REALLY good advice and is only trying to help you. Remember, YOU called out for help–all of this advice is not unsolicited.

The advice here has all been very good, but the advice that has stuck out the most has been that I can’t force my life to fit a desired time schedule. Things have to take their course.

So what am I going to do? I’m going to stop complaining about it. I’m going to continue my active position in my club and most likely be the new vice-president starting in April. I’m going to just keep on “doing my thing” and being the person I am, and try to let things happen when they happen, rather than over analyze when things aren’t falling into a desired time frame.

Hi. Just thought I’d put my two cents in, for what it’s worth anyway. I agree with those who’ve said that you might check into some counselling for depression. For one thing, I worry about your outlook on life in general, and it’s not healthy to assume that bad things are just going to happen and you have to get used to it. For another, when you talk to girls you like do you actually tell them, “Yeah, I’m just going to be alone for the rest of my life. I guess I’d better get used to it.”? Because if you do, that’s probably a large part of your problem. Most women, believe it or not, don’t rely solely on looks alone when befriending or going out with a guy. They also look at outlook, intellect, how they connect. It’s hard to connect with someone who has already assumed he’ll never connect with anyone ever.

Also, I’d beware of the girls that have boyfriends but start talking in detail about their sex lives with you. One of my guy friends constantly finds himself in these situations when he’ll find a girl he’s interested in, befriend her, find out she has a boyfriend, then she’ll start talking about their sex life with him, which is a definite lead-on, but if he expresses any interest whatsoever in her, she’ll end the friendship claiming that she’s “uncomfortable.” That’s really fucked up, and it’s also a power trip for her. So, if some girl you know has a boyfriend starts talking in detail about her sex life, avoid her like the plague.

And, yeah, get out, have some fun. I’m sure you’ve heard it over and over again, but find some fun extracirricular stuff to do. You don’t sound like you’d be into frats and all that, but there are a lot of academic and recreational clubs on college campuses that can be a lot of fun. Talk to people at your campus newspaper if you’re in to that or find out more about the drama club. Or if you’re too shy to do that, take classes that will make you talk to other people.

Also, you’ve only been in college four months. It’s a difficult adjustment and it takes some people longer to get used to than others. You’ll get used to it. I promise. Just take care of yourself and get out of your room!

Great! I only hope that all our advicements serve, at least, to another doper in distress. :rolleyes:

It helped me quite a bit. And after reading this thread and some others, I’ve decided to register and start posting here.

Really, you needn’t be shy about using the weight room. I think you imagine that all the buff guys in there are going to behave like cartoon bullies. Maybe you think that they’ll laugh at you for being thin or weak, but many of the guys in there probably started out skinny too. They know how it feels to be lifting for the first time.

Another great excercise is swimming, if you have access to a pool.

Drexel’s basically an institute of technology, isn’t it? If so, then 90% of the students there are presumably studying CS, engineering, and so on. There must be something you can talk to people about.

That’s the first sensible thing I’ve heard you say since you STARTED College. The other sensible thing you mentioned is sticking with Circle K. I was in Circle K, it’s a great organization and it will help you to know people once you leave school. Congratulations on becoming an officer your first year.

I want to say something about first year college students. Often times, college is the first time a person has ever lived away from home. The freedom to do whatever you want, to be as crazy as you want is overwhelming. Many freshmen are complete idiots drunk with the freedom of being on their own for the very first time. I think as school continues, you’ll find that a good number of these party-all-the-time people will settle down and become easier to be around. Also, would it kill you to conduct some experiments with tolerance? I think you might make some interesting discoveries about people if you tried to judge them a little less, and tried to see them for who they are a little more. Surprise yourself.

Lastly, I’m glad to see that you accept that things will happen in their own time. I would just like to remind you that fate tends to help people who are willing to help themselves. Just because things will happen in their own time, doesn’t mean you’re exempt from nudging things along.

When you fist started posting in the fall, I thought you’d never get anywhere because of your negative attitude. You still have a recklessly dour outlook that threatens to spill out and taint the way that people see you, but, you do have some friends, things are coming together.

Patience grasshopper, just keep working toward your goals, you’ll get there sooner or later.