Loopydude… he’s completely serious.
Qadgop the Mercotan, while I’m still not going to start speaking in Quenya when getting out of big bodies of water, I’m definitely getting the HOMES. I gotta keep up. 
Holy crap, you’re right. Apologies all around.
Gwerlum? I like Ungoliant better.
The extended editions of the movies are a little kinder to Elrond. He actually gives Arwen a long spiel about what she can expect from life with Aragorn, and it actually shows Aragorn on his funeral bier with her in a mourning veil (and his body becomes a statue in the same position with leaves blowing about to indicate the passage of time, with Arwen still mourning her lost husband…).
There was a minute redemption for the movie-Elrond in RotK, but overall I thought he got treated somewhat roughly by Jackson.
Scary isn’t he?
You know I thought I knew this stuff pretty well, I’ve even read Untold Tales and Unfinished Tales a couple of times but…wow. 
I’m with Grey…even though I read all this stuff in the 80’s, I thought I knew it pretty well and remembered at least the basic pieces of the story. I got spanked a bit too much in this thread though for that to be close to reality. I suppose I’ll have to scrounge about through the boxes and boxes that compose my ‘off-line’ library (in the shed) and find the books again to re-read the series and the various supporting books.
-XT
Yeah, you know when you’ve transcended beyond Geek Central when you can no longer recognize your own kind! I suspect that at some point in time, uber-geeks believe they’ve crossed a line of minutia that no one has crossed before.
Then they run into our Qadgop. We love him so.
I haven’t seen the EE. (Please note- The Hobbit has been one of my favorite books since a folk-singing, guitar-playing, hippie preschool teacher read it to my class. I demanded my folks reread it to me so much that multiple copies fell apart. I have the record albums of the animated Hobbit and ROTK. I have the Hobbit board game. I have a Gollum ring I haven’t been able to find for a year- despite my tactic of digging through my apartment like a dog, throwing items behind me and yelling “My Precious! Where is it, my Precious???”<Thank Iluvatar, I still have the mathcing bracelet.> I am a Tolkien geek. I just don’t have a dvd player let alone any dvds.)
But, I thought Elrond came off pretty well in the theatrical cut. The sequence you describe did appear(Though presumably in a shortened version). IMHO, It was clear Elrond’s objection was that he didn’t want to be parted from his beloved daughter, especially knowing that he was leaving her to a life of suffering in the mortal lands. He doesn’t shed a tear, but it’s clear that his heart is breaking.
Slight hijack:
quote, from Loopydude, I believe:… “But I love these books. I love them in a way that makes no sense even to myself. There is something simply magnificent about it all, and I’ve given up trying to justify it. If it makes me a hopeless geek, it’s the price I must pay.”
I know I’m taking this out of context, but I wanted to say that this quote sums up how I feel about LOTR better than just about anything else I’ve ever read. Thanks.
Originally posted by loopydude
Nitpick:
Acutally it was the peak of Zirak Zigil.
Originally posted by InTransit
The other two istari were the Blue Wizards whose names were Alatar and Pallando. They too were sent to Middle Earth to combat Sauron but it is assumed that they failed in their attempt. There are alternative names for them just like Gandalf/Mithrandir but I can’t remeber what they are. The only reference to them in LotR is when Saruman says in anger to Gandalf “Would you also have the staves of the Five Wizards?” or something like that.
Originally posted by Team Leader
In a brief description of Grima it is said that he too wears a ring. I would speculate that Saruman is in controll of Grima through the use of this ring. Kind of makes sense too after all the Worm always does what Sharky tells him. Eh?
Are you sure about this? It doesn’t ring a bell with me and I couldn’t find it in a quick search just now.
Saruman is wearing a ring when Gandalf meets him at Isengard. Is that what you are thinking of?
You’re right, of course, TWDuke. The books show how the Mouth of Sauron presents terms to the Lords of Gondor, asking them to make enormous concessions and be ruled by one of Sauron’s lieutenants, all in hostage for Frodo’s safe return; and the books also tell of how Saruman enslaves the Shire-folk and sets up mills and factories and cuts down trees. Sauron does not want to see hobbits happy and free.
Others had already pointed out that there were other battles fought for Middle-Earth: the Dwarves at Erebor, the Elves at Lórien. I was just pointing out that there wasn’t much reason in the context of the films for the battles to look remarkably different, as Aeschines asked why we only saw two sieges against fortified positions.
I suppose one could also make the argument that seizing strongholds of military value was the kind of warfare that Tolkien understood personally, since he had served in WWI, or that warfare which Middle-Earth’s resources were best equipped to conduct (given that they had no armor divisions or air support). I’m not a military expert so I wouldn’t dare speculate.
Live by the nitpick, die by the nitpick. One name is elven, the other is dwarvish. Both are the same hunk of rock… I think and fervently hope, not wanting to be hoist by my own nitpick.
Hoisted. 
loopydude! Bashing? I was agreeing with you! With your spirit of devotion, anyway! Everything I posted in my thread was based on what I’d read in HOMES and other obscure sources. I’d love to discuss the evolution of Gwerlum to Wirilomë to Ungweliant to Ungoliant if ya gots the time! And Valinorian as an on-again, off-again, on-again language is just too fascinating.
I find Makar and Mëassa more interesting Vala siblings than Omar-Amillo and Salmar-Lirillo anyway.
Man táre antáva nin Ilúvatar, Ilúvatar enyáre tar i tyel, íre Anarinya qeluva?
It is tough to find the really right time to whip out some of those Quenya quotes! That’s why I treasure Aragorn’s speech so!
I’m still looking for the right time and place to say
“Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!”
(Snow White, to thee I will chant
on this side of ocean,
here on this side of the Great Ocean!)
Suggestions?
Renew you vows by Lake Winnebago/Michigan. But you have to arrive by boat. 
Well, Valentine’s day is coming up.
It’s Wisconsin in the winter. He could be singing to a sturgeon I suppose.
No ideas on where to use it, but your translation does make clear Gimli’s devotion to Elbereth – he was a Dwarf, after all!
Hi. You say this is in the extended edition, but I just saw the film in Japan, and the “turning into a statue/bier” scene was in it. Is the Japan cut different?