Askia, you ran with my theory about the “Pilot” episode title and I am with you thus far. What do you make of “Moth”? The interesting thing to me is, if they’re going to hit us over the head with the metaphor of emerging from the cocoon, why not the more obvious “Butterfly”? What is the secondary meaning of “Moth”?
I’ll mention something nobody else has noted yet as a positive moment: Sayid speculating about the unlikely nature of their crash. Seems like all that stuff we complained and nitpicked about in the first couple of weeks (“the tail section broke off! there’s no way they landed!” or “how is that transmitter still working?”) is stuff they’ve thought about and will be working in over time.
One thing that’s still bugging me, though: I feel like we still don’t have a concrete sense about the size of the island. They keep referring to it as such, but I don’t think anybody’s mentioning making a circuit, or even just going around the corner of the farthest point to see if there’s any more land behind them. I’d like to have an answer or clarification on this pretty soon.
Cervaise: I keep thinking of Prince Caspian, the book through which I learned that when stranded on an island, one must walk the perimeter to find where the freshwater streams run into the ocean; then you can trace them into the woods to find drinkable water. That would have been more believable to me than Jack’s psychic VisionQuest accident finding the water.
Why, at this point of their exploration, should they even believe they’re on an island?
I’ve edited in a “Spoilers” to the title.
I don’t know if we need a rule, but it seems to me to be common courtesy, either to include the word “Spoilers” in the title, or to hide (via the spoiler tag) any information that someone who hasn’t seen the episode might not want to know.’
I’m not sure about a 24-hour rule, in the days of TiVo and the like, people do see things many days later. I think it just makes sense to put something in the header.
I could go either way about whether “next week on…” should be spoilerboxed or not.
Brian
I few episodes ago I would have sworn that the bag of drugs was almost completely empty. Tonight there was a good amount still left. My theory is that Charlie’s plastic baggie was really a pocket dimension - a L-Space full of heroin if you will.
Re: The titles
Even Sigmund Freud said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”.
Anyone catch the title of the book Sawyer was reading ?
It seemed that the transmitter was working because when Sayeed turned it on he had a bunch of those bar thingys.
Yeah, that’s kind of a huge spoiler too. I liked not knowing if she is alive or dead.
Well, at least we don’t know what state she’ll be in. Maybe she’ll be as mad as a hatter and won’t be able to give them anything useful – just cackle like the Blair Witch or something… “Ils sont tous mort… and your little dog too. Ah-ha-ha-haaaaa!”
I was thinking about the “next week on…” (24) rule last night as well. When it comes to 24, I NEVER watch the previews for the next episode and try to avoid commercials throughout the week. 24 has too many surprises and twists, half of which are given away too soon via previews. I don’t make as much of an effort with LOST, especially since they show the sneaks immediately after the last scene (opposed to 24 where they go to commercial and then come back to “next week on…”) However as a courtesy, I refrain from commenting on anything I’ve seen in the previews.
And for the poster who asked, 24 starts in January and runs for 24 straight uninterrupted weeks. No 4 week hiatus so they can run American Idol specials this year.
Who said the French woman was alive? All that was given was the name of the woman we heard on the tape. She had a speaking part so she was cast. No one said we’d ever see her again or who she’d be played by even if.
And Sawyer was reading Watership Down in “White Rabbit” as well. I was trying to see how much farther he’s gotten in the book. He looks to be a slow reader like me
Well, he has been busy scavenging and hoarding. Sawyer does seem pretty hung up on Kate even though she treats him like crap. So did he know her before the plane crash? Is he just one of those guys who likes a challenge? Or maybe he thinks she’s really a very naughty girl and he just needs to push the right buttons to get a response? Or is it just that there really don’t seem to be a lot of eligible young women on the island? Claire’s quite preggers and out of commission for a while, Sun is married to a crazy man who will kill with his bare hands if necessary, Shannon’s a bit of a snot and a flake, so that leaves Kate - so what if she already seems to have two guys lined up? Or is Kate some kind of witch who has taken some potion that causes all men to fall madly in love with her?
AS Cervaise pointed out, I also liked how Sayid brought up the nature of the craash after so many were speculating on it.
Yeah, any future ep insights should either be spoilered or linked, but if we put SPOILER in the threap title, then we should be able to discuss what was aired, inclu previews. It’s been shown / talk about it. Haven’t seen this week’s show? Avoid the thread til you have. Or be very selective in your reading.
Mother Church - It was very important to Charlie at the start. He was even going to quit the band because of feeling like he was somehow letting down the Church. Even with his brother’s assurances that they would walk away if it got too wierd, he still seemd doubtful. He was even worried about offending random nuns with the word “bloody.”
I would like to be able to clearly see what his tattoo reads. Also, I didn’t see him genuflect before going after Jack. Based on his flashback, I was sure he would. So, maybe, he doesn’t believe in Mother Church anymore. Or maybe he doesn’t feel worthy of the Church anymore. Remember, self worth issues seemed to drive this particular episode. Even the tiny little Boone/Shannon subplot.
Having Catholicism so prominantly featured in a character’s back story has to mean something. Doesn’t it? Esp with how odd their situation is in the first place. (Thanks, Cerv, I had made a mental note to discuss Saayid’s insight and plumb forgot!)
I agree. It was a manipulative scene (as was the one last week where Charlie first saw his guitar up in the trees), but it worked. I love Charlie (and Locke, too). And, masonite? I disagree with you here:
Charlie was giving up the drugs on his own, instead of waiting for them to run out so he could make it a choice. I think there is a big difference between giving something up and simply running out of it.
I also agree with those who thought Sawyer failed to tell Kate about Jack at first because he was peeved at her for the “who cares what you have to say” crack. I definately think there is more to him than meets the eye – I’m lokking forward to getting his backstory.
I have a few thoughts about next week and I’ll spoil them, just for those who don’t watch the previews: Geez. I guess I’d be williing to trade a kiss for an inhaler – at least I’d rather do that than have Sawyer tortured (which is what it looked to me like Sayid was gearing up to do) into giving up his hiding place. That said, Sawyer should have been made to give up his stash before now – certainly all the salvage ought to be communally controlled at this point.God, I love this show!
Did anyone else catch this?
When Locke was showing Chas the moth cocoon, he pointed out a tiny hole at the top, and said the moth had to struggle to get out.
In the cave, Chas spots a tiny hole at the top, and had to struggle to get out.
In Christianity, Jesus points out that you are in a mess in this world and have to struggle to get out!
More little hints about the importance of Charlie’s spirituality, maybe. Because it was after he climbed up from death inside the world (cave) that he destroyed the drugs.
My way out insight of the week.
Did anyone catch the name / model of the radio Sayid was using? I paid attention to this, but have forgot (AP-22 maybe? )
Of course, you only need two locations to triangulate a signal. I’m still not clear how the system on the show was supposed to work. Was there 3 recievers, but the other two feeding thier info to Sayids? I think I’ll chaulk this up to Hollywood technobabble.
Brian
His tattoo was front and center in a close-up in Ep.1.5 “White Rabbit” and is discussed here. It says “Living is easy… with eyes closed”.
I don’t have much to contribute to this discussion, but I will say this:
If Terry O’Quinn (Locke) isn’t nominated for an Emmy for Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series next year, then there is simply no justice. The man is brilliant.
He really lights up the screen. Quite the star, let me tell y’all.
Eats, 10Q. I had to business phone talk and didn’t see the whole show.
Hmmmm, I quoted the the spoiler, including the unspoiled phrase “The French Woman” so you would know who I was talking about, described her as someone unlike most of the other women on the show, did not mention her by name but gave a link that you chose to click, posted after the show had been broadcast in all the Lower 48 AND after there had been an agreement to follow 24 rules, yet it’s MY fault?