Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days"

Maybe as Holland Manners of Wolfram & Hart on Angel.

As for AL…nope, I still hate her and want her dead, soon. Painfully. With malice aforethought.

So, looking at the guest stars listed on the IMDb for the next two episodes …

Both “Matthew Reed” and the Assistant D.A. are scheduled for both weeks. What are the odds that former cop Analucia busted Kate somwhere along the line?

So did the Others somehow bring down the plane intentionally? Otherwise, how were they ready so quickly with infiltrators for both groups of survivors? And how did they have a ready list of the “good” people?

And if they did bring down the plane, how did they attract the plane to that specific location?

I for one look at the preview and try to figure out how they are trying to screw with our heads. Someone saying ,“Shannon is dead” out of context might mean Shannon is *as good as * dead. The term “lost forever” does not need to mean dead. “I killed someone he loved” might mean yesterday or five years ago. So yes I read too much into everything and the surest way for the producers to mislead me is to put nothing misleading in the preview.
About Mr Eko: wild speculation, I think he will turn out to be a current or former priest or minister. Nothing to base it on, he just seems to be a man of peace forced into violence. Maybe a violent man who became a man of peace only to be forced to return to his violent ways. Or not.

AL said to Goodwin that he was probably spotted by Bernard in the forest and had to pretend to be a survivor because of that. He did not deny it. That makes it seem that his infiltration was not planned. The list did not show up for many days. I don’t remember which day, but it was plenty of time to gather intel. Besides they seem to be pretty screwy, maybe cultish. Maybe they can just look at someone and decide they are “good”?

Also, I notice that…

Cindy is listed as guesting two episodes from now – “What Kate Did” – so perhaps we’ll find out why she disappeared during the rock climbing?

Mr. Eko seemed very attached to the two kids that he rescued and visa versa. I wondered if he had actually been traveling with them as a bodyguard? I never heard anyone of them refer to each other by name though, but the kids seemed very trusting of him. Sure he rescued them and the kids were scared but you’d think they’d gravitate to a mother figure.

Yes, but he didn’t confirm it either. Was Ethan also “spotted” and forced to infiltrate? Doesn’t seem likely. A planned infiltration of both groups best fits the evidence, in my opinion.

I didn’t really see her as reluctant to take the leadership role. In fact, she seemed more than eager to take on the job of leadership from the moment they all crawled onto the beach. Although you’re right, she did feel lots of guilt over the raid that took the kids. But why they didn’t start posting watches in shifts after the first raid… well that was just dumb on the part of the tailies.

Me too. I think he’s the most interesting character so far among the tail section group.

I haven’t seen any concrete word about upcoming flashbacks, but my guess is that next week’s will probably be on Ana Lucia. Mostly because the main conflict next week would naturally be between Sayid and Ana Lucia, so the flashbacks are likely to be on one of them. And the previews seemed to be focused more on AL’s point of view.

A few minor observations.

The Dharma logo in the bunker shows an arrow. The one in the first bunker was a swan. Could the Dharma bases be named after constallations? (Swan = Cygnus, Arrow = Saggitarius (the archer)) Yeah, it’s hard to extrapolate from a sample of two, but…

As for Eko and Locke I could point out Eko and Locke but I’m probably reaching with that one… :slight_smile:

The Others (dirty, barefoot Others) were a bit of a letdown; they don’t seem like that much of a threat to an organized group, except for their uncanny ability to quickly carry people off into the jungle.

Since the Tailies were attacked their very first night, it’s nothing short of baffling that they didn’t take turns standing watch every night after that. When they were attacked again, I expected a scene where somebody was berated for falling asleep on watch. It almost seems as if the Others are divided into dirty, barefoot troops and a few, much more formidable operatives like Ethan and Goodwin.

Ana Lucia does kind of seem like she might be a cop. Maybe not a good one.

Nov 23 episode

Title is “Collision” and is an Ana-Lucia flashback

Nov 30 episode

Title is “What Kate Did” and is (obviously) a Kate flashback

Well, there are so many references from mythology and legend on the show. When I saw the arrow, I thought of Jack’s hospital, St. Sebastian.

In watching the DVD of the Season One closer, I noticed that Sawyer’s real name is apparently James Ford. Sawyer’s kind of an outlaw; the name suggests both Jesse James and Bob and Charlie Ford, who shot James. Maybe the writers are just playing games.

If one or two lone survivors spotted an Other, I don’t think that would force the Other to pose as one of the survivors unless they wanted to do so. They could always disappear back into the woods and the survivors who spotted them probably wouldn’t even remember them later, especially after the initial craziness of the crash. Perhaps the Others just have some sort of protocol in the eventuality of this sort of thing? If you’re first to a crash pretend to be one of them.

AL’s mentioning of Goodwin not being wet doesn’t prove anything. Goodwin could have landed in some trees just like Bernard did.

Well, we don’t really know whether Ethan was with them from Day 1, either. He could have snuck in and infiltrated the group a little later on. They had a larger group, so more “strangers” around from any one person’s point of view.

My guess as to why our survivors haven’t been bothered as much by the others (except for the Ethan stuff) yet is distance. The others seem to be closer in proximity to where the tail section landed, on the other side of the island. Especially if Goodwin was right there on Day 1. The fact that they found the tailies may have even prompted them to see if there was any other group of survivors. They wanted Walt, too (assuming that Bluebeard is part of their group) but waited quite a while to make a move for him.

Although I’ll agree that “planned infiltration” also does fit the scenario, too. And if that’s the case, it would seem that not only did they know the plane was coming down, but knew it was coming down in multiple pieces on opposite sides of the island (if Ethan and Goodwin were both in place to infiltrate from Day 1).

Another mysteriously discriminating plane crash, by the way. With a handful of exceptions, either you die immediately or you walk away with a few scratches. Not even sore muscles or a wrenched back from falling out of the sky. And the exceptions are tidy – broken legs, not the kind of massive gaping wounds you’d expect from a real disaster.

Bad episode to try to watch while doing other things…

I noticed at one point that AL had a sharpened stake as a weapon. Two thoughts – thanks to the TSA, if I were ever marooned on a desert island, I wouldn’t even have my trusty Leatherman to help rebuild civilization. And did they take a knife away from the “others”?

Last week, AL said the Others “tortured us”. I didn’t see much torture going on. The tailees (and especially AL) escalated to hysterical panic mighty quickly, especially because the Others just didn’t seem that creepy and certainly not that irresistable. Their numbers went down by at least three during the episode. Armed with rocks and pointed sticks, the tailees gave as good as they got.

Forget Bernard, where the hell have I seen Goodwin before?

AL took it off one of the Others.

Another journeyman.

But AL caught him in a lie. He didn’t tell her he landed in the trees. He told her he was on the beach and went into the woods after he heard Bernard (IIRC). That he wasn’t wet proved that he didn’t land in the water. Her interogation tends to support the law enforcement theory rather than the military theory of AL’s background.

In the last thread there was a lot of speculation about Cynthia Watros’ character bing one of the Others. It was pretty clear that she was on the plane and in the water. She may have been recruited later but I don’t think so.