No, the scene with the book club took place before the plane even crashed on the island. Remember, it’s interupted by an earthquake, and then everyone runs outside and they see the airplane breaking up in the sky?
Jack was definetly being an asshole in his flashbacks, but he wasn’t nearly enough of an asshole while he was locked up in the fishtank. He’s been kidnapped by people who have been tormenting and him and the other surivors, murdering them at will, all for no more apparent reason than having the temerity to let their plane come apart over their island. Given the circumstances, I wouldn’t have blamed him for cutting Juliet’s throat open.
Why do they keep casting these actresses who look alike? Juliet is not Desmond’s girlfriend is not Jack’s wife, but I can barely tell them apart.
Also, is there any significance to Juliet burning her hand at the beginning of the episode?
“If you open the door, she’ll die. You’ll die. Everyone will die.” Jack opens the door. You can’t tell this guy anything. Also, total cliche moment when he violently refused food and demanded answers instead.
Re: the commercials. Probably not every affiliate had the same commericals, but at one point, they cut from Sawyer in the cage to an eagle soaring across the sky. Knowing it was a commercial, I made a comment about what we’d just seen, and Mr. Rilch said, “Mm-hm,” still intent on the screen, so I waited until the shot zoomed in on a car. “Well, it’s not my fault they cut to a commercial every ten seconds!”
Frylock: “Downtown” was from the '60s.
Also, anyone catch that at the very beginning of Jack’s first flashback, “Moonlight Serenade” was playing on the radio? I only mention it because there was that bit a few episodes ago where Sayid picked up a radio broadcast that was also playing that song, and Hurley speculated about a time warp.
Well, chalk me up as another who was unhappy with the episode. Wonderful first ten minutes (of actual show, not commercials), but when Sawyer woke up in a baxter box I started interpreting the rest of the episode as “screwing with the heads” and it fell flat. Not even a revelation I would considder major.
I only got three things in terms of advancing the overarcing plot. First, the Dharma Initiative (or some aspect of it) is definitely still going strong. The others had recent contact with the outside world and it looks like it was normal enough for it not to be a big deal to them. The fact that they had Jack’s father’s autopsy report means that they had contact after the crash since I don’t think Jack was carrying that with him. Not a huge surprise given the food drop but now its definitive.
Second, there are definitely two groups of “others”. Ben/Henry sent Ethan and the other guy to the survivors with instructions to have a list in three days and to take no action. The tale section was attacked first night. Again, not a huge surprise given the other’s comments last season but we know that whoever attacked the tale section the first night was not part of Gale’s group.
Finally, psychic phenomina in Lost is definitely linked with magnetism. The speaker repeated the last words of Jack’s father from the flashback and since that would be a hell of a trick for the others to pull off I’m inclined to believe Juliet’s comment that the speaker isn’t hooked up to anything. Something that read Jack’s mind was resonating with the magnet in the speaker (or Jack’s subconcious is, but that gets into my wild theory that the reason the others wanted Jack, Kate, and Sawyer is that they’re the survivors with mild psychic abilities).
Just rewatched the episode. Right before the “earthquake”, Juliet says, “Here I am, actually thinking that free will exists on–” File away for future reference.
As far as I am concerned, we don’t know that Juliet was really reading Jack!Dad’s autopsy report. That big binder on the desk could have just been an old fishtank cleaning instruction manual for all we really know. Juliet didn’t really reveal anything that wasn’t already known and could have just made up the part about Sarah’s happiness.
The part of the Steven King cover that I saw had green on it. That and the “no plot” line made me think of the Tommyknockers.
My money is on Kate betraying Sawyer. Not knowingly of course. I’m thinking that after the “the next two weeks are going to be very bad” line, Faux Henry (and didn’t we hear that his name was Ben?) fed her a line about helping Sawyer somehow and that’s why she went into the cage.
I’m thinking that they want Jack to join their little island society. Maybe it’s the high test scores. Maybe they lack a good spinal surgeon on the island. He doesn’t seem to be getting the psychological run around that Sawyer and Kate are getting.
Geez…take it easy. Jack’s tattoos haven’t been explained in the show yet. We do know that the shoulder tat is real…as in really Matthew Fox’s. The creators of the show saw them and decided to write them into the character, rather than cover them up with make-up. I’m actually guessing that judging from his behavior in this particular flashback, we’re not far away from seeing Jack doing something rash.
Well, more rash than becoming stalker-boy. Rash like getting an out-of character tattoo on his shoulder.
I liked the episode. I would have liked to have a check in with the other losties, or Michael & Walt, but I understand that you can only get to so much in an episode.
Were there really more commericals than last season? It didn’t seem any worse to me. Perhaps you all are spoiled by having access to the dvds. I know I was cringing at the first commerical break, after being spoiled by the dvds myself.
I love Matthew Fox. Glad he tried to kill Juliette. Don’t know why he didn’t grab her dart gun and dart her so that she couldn’t get help.
It would have been impossible for him to close a door on rushing water until equilibrium was reached. Once the water got above door level, then he could have closed it without much trouble. Keep this in mind if you’re ever in a submerged car, kiddies.
On the Ellen Degeneres Show, Evangeline Lily wouldn’t reveal anything about S3 except that Kate finally chooses one man over the other. I’m betting it’s Sawyer and I also agree that she will betray him. They have more of a rapport and it’ll be more of a heart break.
The newspaper reported that this season will focus more on the “Others” so that we’ll be thoroughly confused as to who are the good guys.
Next week I’m definitely DVRing it. I can’t wait until this damn election is over.
It doesn’t appear so. After all, they have CDs and CD players. Though I have yet to see a CD player that reads CDs that you put in upside-down. :dubious:
Hmmm. I have a DVD that is silver on both sides (double sided recording). But I’vd never seen a CD like that. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist though – to your point.
Lots to like this episode. Juliette is interesting to me. I didn’t pick up on the tension between her and Ben right away, but my wife did. I think I started to be interested right when she said that she didn’t make the sandwich, but she put the little toothpicks in.
Also, that was one of the better flashbacks for Jack we’ve seen in a while. It was great watching his stubbornness take over completely to the point where he drove his father back to the bottle. A new look at his past that fits the character. We haven’t had enough of that - too often it’s just a retread.
Killer opening too. I suspected we were on the island, but getting to watch the plane go down was a nice touch.
Yes, slow in parts. But I can forgive that. We need time to get used to the New Normal.
I have a couple of discs that are a CD on one side and a DVD on the other, its called DualDisc. Its a similar idea, there’s data on both sides so the disc itself is all silver on both sides. When Juliet pulled the disc out, I thought for an instant that it was Son Volt’s Okemah & the Melody of Riot, because it seemed to be have the same reddish brown color on the plastic spindle.
The silver CD caught me by surprise too, and I rewound to see if she ever flipped the CD over by accident. She didn’t, and while the show was paused, I could clearly see “This Side Up” on the CD’s inner rim. It looks weird without a label, to be sure, but it appears intentional.
I with you on this one. I think the Others are less in control than one would really think.
I don’t think they had anything to do with the plane crash. That was all Desmond’s doing with the gigantic magnet.
And I do believe Juliette was bluffing. Just putting together little pieces of what they do know about him ala cold reading psychic.
I’m still disappointed though that the Losties still never compare notes on what they know.
Sawyer and Kate are reunited in seperate cages and instead of asking: where were you? who’d you see? what’d you find out? what do you know?
we get more of a conversation of “Whut’s up?”, “Nuttin much.”,“Whut’s up with you?”,“Nuttin.”,“Wanna fish biscuit?”,“M’kay.”
