Yes, I know. I just thought Jack should have been suspicious.
Perhaps he was just happy to have a volunteer so Sayid wouldn’t have to go on the suicide mission ?
I just want to point out that it has been made a big deal of that the trip to the island is a “bumpy ride”. The only way they could make it was in a submarine, and apparently you have to be strapped in for even that ride. When a helicopter got to close, it malfunctioned and crashed. Henry Gale crashed. The drug smugglers crashed. We all know what happened to flight 815. So, I think that there is some kind of electromagnetic barrier or cloaking device or something that is difficult to get through. If you force your way through the exact point in space where the worm hole to the island exists, you will go through a wild ride, but if you don’t, you will never even encounter the island or know it’s there.
That is why it was so difficult for Naomi to get there for the rescue, and why others from her party have not found the island. She even said that they were in the middle of the ocean and didn’t expect to see any land at all, but all of the sudden it showed up out of the blue and the heli malfunctioned.
Of course this doesn’t explain the Dharma food drops.
Here are the dive tables.
Assuming breathing in a submerged room is the same as breathing from a tank, and further assuming Charlie’s at 30-40 feet (it didn’t look like he went deeper than that), then his bottom time is either unlimited, or about five hours.
If the latter, then if he manages to get back to the moon pool, the Looking Glass’s crew can’t chase him. If the former, they can.
StinkyBurrito: And Desmond’s sailer crashed.
No matter what we say, if Charlie returns to the surface, the writers of this show will get it wrong.
Or the island will heal him without him (or us) ever knowing anything was wrong. Take that!
I hear that only the Giant Squid can chomp through such a thing without difficulty.
Hey, there’s a solution…
I think it’s weird about everyone’s suspicion of Juliet. Jack summed it up well, and what defines a Lostie from an Other is a desire to get off the island… which is exactly what Juliet has expressed. She obviously has to pretend to be an Other still to stay alive and manipulate Ben to her advantage but I think it’s pretty clear her ultimately loyalty lies with the Losties.
Depends. If she believes that Ben is what it takes to get off the island (and SURVIVE) she may not care about helping the Losties, even if they share her goal.
-Joe
I know most people have moved on from this, but I wanted to re-hash. Regarding Desmond’s visions: I thought they were memories, as if he had lived these moments already. If they are memories, he would have to have been present to see the death of Charlie. Either he was lying about it, or he goes down to the looking glass as well.
Also, is the Looking Glass possibly a reference to Lewis Carroll’s story? We already have references with the episode title: “White Rabbit,” and apparently next week is “Through the Looking Glass.” Does anybody have any other examples of references to Lewis Carroll’s works?
A few thoughts about the overall episode.
I actually thought this was one of their poorer outings. The penultimate episode of any season is usually just a “Setup”, a plot-mover that gets all characters into their correct, separate locations so that the season finale can switch between them. The finale then can build up to a “firecracker” cascade where events at one location are linked to or impacted by the others (either directly or for the sake of dramatic pathos). So I wasn’t really expecting much; just a setup to the drama that will unfold next week.
But even by this standard, the episode was weak. It may just be me, but the discovery of an RF jammer located at the underwater “Looking Glass” station came out of nowhere (I’m sure someone can find an obscure reference in a previous episode, or decipher its existence from the flourescent map Locke saw, but still), and the need for the group to move specifically to the radio tower (as opposed to, say, the safe haven of the caves) wasn’t adequately justified. Things like this (and Jack’s rather showy demostration of his plan to blow up the Others) make the turning of the plot gears too obvious, and that’s a bad distraction.
Moreover, the device of having Charlie’s top five list drive the flashbacks–all of which underscore his fateful decision to go ahead with the dive–was rather unimaginative. Off the top of my head, a better ending would have had Charlie finish the list, explain and hand it to Desmond, then quickly (without the by-the-numbers “I’ll go/No I’ll go” punctuated by the even lamer “TV knockout”) jump overboard before Desmond could react. Desmond then opens the list, and we read #1 over his shoulder: “The day I gave up my life to save Claire, the woman I love.” It’s not that it was bad, just pedestrian; “The day I learned to swim” so obviously foreshadowed his death-dive (c’mon, who would actually put that on their list?) that I knew right then Charlie would die by drowning.
The setup also makes it unlikely we’ll get any more interesting Others intrigue. There are already three locations they’ll have to update us on next week (plus, perhaps, the details of Locke’s return to life), so is there enough time to develop anything within the Others themselves? My fear is that they go back to playing inscrutable villains (and this element is something that has really bugged me for the past three seasons), but I don’t think that’s likely. Rather, I fear by putting too many balls in the air, one of them will go clunk. I guess we’ll see next week…
Charlie’s dad - worst impression of a northerner ever :eek:
It seemed to come out of nowhere to me too, but I figured it must just be me, seeing as how Sayiid had detailed blueprints of it handy and nobody else (either here or on the show) seemed surprised. Someone remind me where those plans came from. Mikhail’s place? Had we seen them before?
He took a bunch from Mikhail’s place… hence how they were able to find the Barracks and “rescue” Jack
When Ben’s mother appeared to young Ben, outside the sonic fence, her dress and hairstyle reminded me of Alice.
The “in episode” explanation for that was that when the jamming went down they could turn off the French broadcast and call the ship…wait, while the only guy capable of doing that is, at the beach. Nevermind…
And Kate’s a crack shot, why wasn’t she selected as one of the shooters?
-rainy
And previously Charlie couldn’t swim, ect. Hey, if they can’t keep up with it all how am I supposed to?
Did anyone think that Claire in the final flashback scene didn’t sound quite like herself? The voice seemed deeper, and the Aussie accent not as thick, or perhaps even absent. That couldn’t have been another actress doing that scene, could it? (I can’t imagine why they would have done that, though.)
I was confused at first about why Charlie felt it necessary to knock Desmond out. I realized it was the only way he could guarantee that Desmond wouldn’t jump in and save him again.
I really liked the way the flashbacks were done, particularly with the High Fidelity shout-out (the Top 5 list). I thought it was a perfect exit for Charlie, which only made the end that much more surprising.
I’d still put Charlie’s odds of surviving to Season 4 at fairly low. In fact, I think more than one major character won’t make it out of the season finale alive, but I’m not sure who. (We should probably have a season finale predictions thread.)
I’m surprised nobody else has mentioned that one of the women in the Looking Glass, specifically the one standing at a distance with the rifle, looked an awful lot like Cindy, the stewardess on 815. I didn’t get a good look – I’ll have to review it on DVR tomorrow – but she had a similar hairstyle and body build. If it is her, given that she was with Ben’s camp not too long ago, it seems probable that the whole thing is a setup. As usual.