Are you sure? I thought I heard that at least a few times. Of course, maybe that was when they were going from the flash-forward back to The Island!
I’ve gotta re-watch this episode again anyway, so I’ll try to pay attention and see if I can find any places where the whoooooosh sound comes in.
Ben’s not wearing shoes on the dock when Jack and company are kidnapped. Seen again at the beginning of this week’s show. There’s a low angle shot where you can see his feet but, even in HD, I don’t think you could count his toes.
Towards the end, I think when Jack is on the communicator with Hurley, Vincent is briefly shown in the background. Somebody is holding his leash.
According this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867118/, Mikhail is dead for good this time.
I also think it is Ben in the coffin. Jack is tormented by his death because he was right about needing to stay on the island. I think Ben gets ‘rescued’ against his will somehow. Jack and Kate are obviously rescued, but I think there are some that didn’t, possibly the group on the beach (Sawyer, Sayid, Juliet, etc.) and Locke, who left the group. Possibly Sun stays behind to wait for Jin, and maybe some more that can’t all go in one helicopter. I still think that Sun’s baby is going to play a major role, that maybe she will be the first to live through a pregnancy.
I am imagining that a helicopter lands by the radio tower and takes as many as it can hold, and maybe intends to come back for the rest but something prevents it (Locke?) This leaves a group still stranded and without Ben. Locke becomes the new Leader, and I think some of the Losties and the Others will join up together. Even if Ben stays on the island, I think his reign is over and many will defect to Locke. (why didn’t Locke just shoot the phone?)
Maybe next season we will switch between the rescued group and the still stranded group much like the second season with the Tailies. Perhaps Jack will join up with Penny and help search for the island.
About Charlie in the hatch…I wondered why he was closing the door too, but if the main room is pressurized to keep the water from flooding up from the floor, wouldn’t breaking the porthole de-pressurize the place, allowing the water to come rushing up from the bottom where they swam in? My understanding of the physics at work here is not so good, but if there is water running over the water-hole in the floor wouldn’t all the water just come rushing in from underneath? Maybe Charlie understood that the whole place would quickly flood if he didn’t close the door. Or maybe the writers don’t care so much about these kinds of technical issues, as we have seen with the Satellite phone that can’t work with a radio signal around. Otherwise I think he was just trying to keep Desmond out / accepting his fate.
If there was scuba gear around, they should have put it on before Charlie deactivated the switch. I think if I knew Desmond’s flash included me drowning, I would put on scuba gear. Unless Mikhail stole the only suit?
I think Walt was just a smoke monster / Jacob hallucination. I don’t think he is on the island anymore.
Good episode!
You could see him much earlier, when the Losties are first on the march from the beach. On a leash, but I don’t remember who was holding it-- probably Hurley, if I had to guess.
I am very afraid that the show is going to suck from here on out.
Well, Ben did give a tad more detail (though not much) – “If you contact that ship, I’m sure that everybody currently on this island will be killed” (or something to that effect). Although he still didn’t explain WHY that was, or who he thought was on the boat.
But by this time, if Ben told Jack that the sky was blue, Jack wouldn’t believe him.
Good call – I think that the water would come up at least to the level of the porthole, throughout the place (if Charlie hadn’t sealed that door). Although I don’t think it would have flooded entirely – just up to the level of the porthole.
That strikes me as a blogger’s take on the situation and not a definitive truth.
Good call on the Jeremy Bentham thing, JohnT. I have no idea about any philosophers but that is a cool tidbit you came up with!
Re: Locke knifing vs. shooting - perhaps Locke didn’t want to shoot into a crowd. Or didn’t want to shoot through Naomi (can that type of gun shoot through a person?) and hit someone. Or waste a bullet (this is his only gun now!). Or he just had better knife aim than gun aim from that angle.
But the priceless thing was seeing him just walk away 
“Eh, there goes John again, off to blow something up!”
And whoever said their wife thinks Jacob’s in the coffin…I am starting to think that too Whoever said there’s no way Jack would be broken up over Ben’s passing…he totally could have a change of heart in the time between the satellite call and the funeral. Heck, he could have a change of heart by the beginning of next season if what Ben tells him is both riveting and true!
Maybe I missed this in the long thread that precedes this question…but:
Jack made a comment about going to his Father’s office to see if he is drunker than Jack. In this future is it possible that Jack imagined bringing his Father’s coffin back from Sydney?
I can confirm that it was Hurley (I double-checked twice to make sure), and I am very, very grateful he did not die, because he was badass. 
I’m thinking Ben dies (apparently?) after Jack fulfills his promise to kill him, just before the Losties leave, and Locke disappears in the commotion to become the new leader of the Others. Richard and the rest already look up to him as a messiah figure… My question: would Alex and Karl depart with the Losties, or would they stay behind with the remaining Others and Rousseau?
Also, I really, really hope Desmond makes it out of the Looking Glass after Charlie drowns, because can you imagine him getting stuck down there?
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn’t go betting money on Mikhail having joined the dearly departed just yet.
I think Alex would stay on the island with her mom. And after all, she really knows nothing of the mainland – the island has always been home for her.
Man, Rousseau got it all wrong. It’s supposed to be mother-daughter bonding, not mother-daughter bondage.
I thought Charlie might have been able to squeeze thru the porthole. But I guess he was resigned to dying. He’ll get no tears from me, though. I thought his character was really annoying.
My favorite line was when Hurley got on the walkie-talkie and said something like: “Hey, Others.”
After I posted that, I was thinking 'you know, the “J” probably stands for ‘Jacob’, but it was too late to edit.
And it could be Jacob in the coffin - after all, there are still three seasons to go.
We can bitch and moan about the stupid way Charlie died and all the ways he could have saved himself, but I think the point was the Desmond saw Charlie switch off the jammer and then drown. Then and only then were Claire and Turniphead going to be safe. Even if the hobbit could have swam out the rabbit hole and up to the surface to save himself, he wouldn’t because he believed in what Desmond told him had to happen.
On another board, someone captured the newspaper obit and said the name of the deceased was Jo [missing letters] Latham. Initials JL, but no one we’ve met yet.
(Apologies if this has been posted – I’ve been reading in bits and pieces, might have missed it.)
Desmond would have to survive, I think, because he must get the info about Penny and the Boat Folks to the Lostaways.
I know of no philosphers named Latham. :dubious: :dubious: :dubious: :dubious:
In regards to Charlie in the Hatch: didn’t the door open outward, away from the room? Or am I mistaken?