There were numerous Asian people on the plane. It was not Sun and Jin from what I could see, after playing it in slo-mo. Just an attractive young Asian couple. If someone can demonstrate otherwise, I will stand corrected.
Interesting that the equipment in the underwater station had a direct hook-up to Penny’s living room. Mystery!
Okay, I’m such a putz! I lost interest after the first season because the damn thing just go too soap-operaish, then people at work were talking about it, but I ignored it, and then I watched the “catch-up special” last week, so I was sort of on the right track, and HAD to watch tonight, and so damn glad I did, I’m HOOKED again, completely. But I was still hung up on the “flashbacks,” and I’m asking, “WTF – are Jack and Kate siblings, or half-siblings? That would explain him saying ‘I love you’ to Kate on the island right after he kissed Juliet. What passes is he talking about? Wait, he wants to suck face with her! What the …?” Then Razorette said, as calmly as you please, “It’s a flash forward, not a flashback. They got off the island and things are going wrong.”
Okay, so it’s metaphysical, mystical. Cool! I’ll be back next season, can’t wait!
Meanwhile – has anybody started a “Will Traveler” thread yet?
I’m guessing that everything goes to hell for everybody after they get back, and/or a lot of them start dying off. Jack finds out that Locke was right that they weren’t supposed to leave.
Either that or Jack has to do something really horrible to allow the Losties to actually get off the island. He gets the hero treatment upon his return and inside he feel unworthy of it because of what he had to do. Either that or it has something to do with his dad coming back.
Yeah, but why did he throw the knife when he could have shot her? I think when he was in the hole, he realized the gun wasn’t loaded – I don’t have HDTV, and maybe my mind was playing tricks, but it looked like the shells had dented primers – like all of the bullets had been shot. And when the camera showed the gun straight-on, you couldn’t see bullets in the cylinder – it’s a revolver, if it’s properly loaded, you can see bullets in the cylinder. Except that he was sort of pointing it at his head to kill himself. Only maybe he was just gesturing like that, knowing it was a futile gesture because he knew the gun wasn’t lethal anymore. And that’s why he couldn’t kill Jack and why he killed Naomi with a knife, because there weren’t any more bullets. Hmmm?
Re: Who’s in the Casket?
Here’s what we know: no one came to the funeral. When the funeral director asked Jack if he was friend or family, he said “neither.” Yet he was upset to the point of suicide when he found out that whoever had died. When he told Kate he thought he might see her at the funeral, she seemed incredulous, and said something along the lines of “why would I be there?”
Also, it may be my imagination, but the casket looked kind of short, as if for a child or a small adult.
Locke is a good guess, but I think Jack would admit to being a friend of Locke. I also don’t think Locke would have fit in that casket.
I think it’s Ben.
Some crazy experiments were obviously being conducted on the island. Life extension is one of them, and super healing. Maybe there was some field on the island that extended life but prevented reproduction, and they were close to overcoming it when the Losties landed. Either Jack screwed those experiments over by leaving the island, thus denying humanity some major scientific advances, or some folks were left behind and are still being used as human guinea pigs in those experiments, which is upsetting Jack.
Did you guys check out that Hanso Foundation link? Thoughts?
New summer web game?
Check out the very bottom of the page (right-click and choose “Zoom In”). I’ll be looking tomorrow for some of those clever Web Game Geeks to tell me what that’s all about.
Just wanted to say, “Called it!”
Agree with you here.
Remind me of what this whole Hanso thing is?
I agree that Jack will somehow be able to un-do his decision.
<hopingagainsthope>Maybe even, in so doing, save Charlie?</hopingagainsthope> (Yeah, pissed about that. They got me in tears during “Greatest Hits” and thinking he’d go in such a poetic fashion, only to have him go utterly unnecessarily and stupidly for this…GRARGH!!!)
And they’ll thus be back on the island. Which I sort of hope they will be. There’s so much about the island we still don’t know, and so much that, perhaps, still needs to be accomplished there.
I realized that it was a flash-forward about two minutes before we actually found out (i.e. before we saw Kate). I had no logical reason, like noticing his Razr phone, it just came to me.
Meltdown, nice theory on Ben!!! I like. Very plausible.
Yeah, the Razr phone tipped me off that it was in the future. I really hope they aren’t going to pull a Battlestar Galactica by skipping to the future and taking the story forward from there.
One thing about Charlie’s message to Desmond: he wrote ‘not Penny’s boat’; why not ‘Penny on the radio’ or ‘your girl’s alive’ or ‘told Penny you alive’. Who cares if she’s on the freighter or in Chelsea sucking back that pricey monk wine-tell him the woman of his dreams is looking for him!!! Gawdalmighty, Charlie.
I’m betting the deceased turns out to be a character we haven’t met yet.
Also, right after Jack said the thing about going to get his dad, the chief of surgery guy said something like “do you know how crazy you sound?” It seemed clear to me (in hindsight) that Jack was so out of it he’d forgotten his father was dead.
I hope they don’t continue with the future-flashbacks next season. For my money, that will make it seem anticlimactic when the series reaches its end and they all (or some of them) get to leave the island.
I think Desmond already realized it was Penny on the screen. Charlie’s message was because he realized something was not right about the Naomi situation – she wasn’t what she had claimed to be. And he wanted to warn Desmond, because it might mean danger for Des (and the other lostaways).
Damnit! All my other points taken but this one and its the last post I read.
As for Charlie, he had to die or Claire doesn’t get rescued. The director told us as much by quick cutting to Claire and the BAY-BEE!
Charlie’s hand/note was a great scene.
More tomorrow. Tired and going to sleep.
[smugly]I also called the “this is a flash-forward, not a flashback” from the start. Something about the combo of a bearded Jack, on an Oceanic flight, drinking a lot and reacting strongly to turbulence…he just looked like “Formerly castaway guy who’s now been rescued but is having a personal crisis”.[/smugly]
Although, I admit I doubted my hypothesis a few times as the show went on, especially when Jack’s father was mentioned. I thought that when he pulled out the prescription in his father’s name, that it might be an old pre-crash, pre-rescue one, or a faked prescription–he didn’t exactly press things when they offered to call his dad’s office, which I took to mean “Aha! Because his dad’s been dead for two years (or whatever); he died before the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 and the subsequent dramatic rescue of the survivors!”
But the present-tense mention of his dad being drunker than him…that was distinctly odd, and I don’t know what to make of it.
I think that’s still very much open. On the one hand, it could mean “Ben was right! Leaving the island was a terrible mistake because of…AARGH!” :slumps over dead with one of Locke’s knives in his back:
Or, to get off the island, they had to Do Terrible Things; or he’s broken up about the ones who didn’t make it.
Or…It could be an entirely personal issue with Jack. On the island, he was somebody, he was The Leader, saving everyone; afterwards, he’s just a washed-up surgeon, addicted to painkillers. And he doesn’t seem to have hooked up with any of the assorted hot women from the island, either.
I suppose that “Why is/will be Future Jack so unhappy?” is the Great Question the remaining seasons will be dealing with.
If you are referring to the various logos and copy written descriptions below the signature, those are all old-news. They were each included in the previous Hanso Foundation website.
I always feel like such a dope when I come here after watching the episode and seeing everyone point out stuff that took me in completely by surprise. I thought the Razr figured oddly prominently, but I figured he’s a doctor and would have something like that. Didn’t catch it was a flash-forward until a minute or two after Kate showed up.
In addition to the other theories about what Jack said to Kate, it’s possible he forged a mystical link with the island, like Ben and Locke did, only he kept denying it as a man of science. Once he finally got off the island, it’s been gnawing at him constantly. He doesn’t want to go back to try to fix a mistake, perhaps, he just wants to be back on the island.
One other thing I took away from this episode…from what I can tell, the entire strike force of the Others is dead. Tom (sad, I kinda liked him) and all the other ‘soldiers’ got completely wiped out. (FINALLY, a battle the survivors won. Kinda sorta.) There may be more at the ‘temple’, as Ben called where Richard and the other Others were heading to, but for the most part I think Ben just lost a ton of his offensive power, just as this new group is entering the scene. If there’s going to be more power struggles, that will matter.
And…dammit, Charlie! :mad: Just when you were starting to get cool again, you had to go and die!
I’m sure someone will figure this out, but I was wondering if the iteration number played with Rousseau’s message was correct based on the amount of time between tonight’s episode and the last time we heard the message. Anyone? Anyone?