gads I’m dying here. My lost station is lost because of a storm. I see who died but I don’t know who did it and whether they were in an airplane or a sub
The only bright side of this is that my friend who insists that Smokey has never lied is clearly completely full of it now.
So, I wonder if those in the alternate timeline will figure out a way to merge timelines and be alive again, including Locke?
As are the “Jacob is bad, Smocke is good” camp.
ETA: oh, and that was THE friggin 1-2 punch of character elimination. The Sayid thing happened and I was thinking, "Man, that sucks. And then the other thing happened, and I was saying “WTF?”
So I’m thinking that Jack was totally on target when he said “do nothing – we’ll be okay”. Because the bomb exploding on its own due to Smoky putting it in Jack’s pack would effectively be Smoky killing them directly – apparently against the rules.
Sawyer’s intervention damned them.
I want to know the answer to this too. I guess I’ll assume he didn’t, but I don’t think we saw for sure so it could go either way. Sort of like Jin escaping the exploding freighter.
ETA: And are we down to 3 remaining candidates now? Jack, Hurley, and Sawyer?
Lapidus got KO’d by a door when the water came in, so no…
I’m guessing that in the Alt timeline, Smokey is actually loose, since in that timeline all the candidates and everyone on the island is at the bottom of the ocean.
And what are Richard and Miles doing?
Well I didn’t see that coming 
Damn – I liked Lapidus… he always had some fun wry comments to add to the situation.
poor Ji Yeon. Orphaned already…
Well, Jack actually figured something out.
Dunno about the bomb though. Guessing the submarine doesn’t have torpedo tubes.
Major bummer about Jin and Sun (and Sayid, but he died saving others)
Brian
How deep was that sub when they got out? Nobody got the bends?
You have to give Smokey some points for just manipulating the hell out of our heroes. For weeks I’d been wondering how he was planning on dealing with the candidates when he knew he couldn’t kill them. Several discussions here even brought up the possibility that he may try getting them to kill each other. Problem was, I could never figure out how he’d go about it. Turns out he came up with a pretty damn clever way!
(So clever that I guess I can overlook the fact that an ancient being who’s never seen modern civilization somehow knows how to set a time bomb, and rig it to explode when tampered with in a certain manner. Maybe he was accessing Locke’s memories for that. Because I’m sure Locke would know how to do that . . . uh, right?)
And I’m placing my bet that Lapidus is still alive. We never saw confirmation that he was dead after that door hit him. That would be a pretty crappy way to kill off a fan favorite character – sort of the Lost equivalent of Boba Fett’s lame-ass death on Jabba’s sand barge.
Gotta feel a little bad for Sawyer . . . it’s his fault the bomb went off, and now he has to know that.
Ok–thinking out loud here.
It’s clear that the point of departure from the “real” timeline had to be far, far earlier than Jughead blowing up (or whatever) in 1977. Some of the changes include Locke’s daddy not being a total scum for one. And it’s implied in this episode that Locke may have even been raised by/with Daddy (instead of crazy mommy…like Claire and the Crazy French Chick? Hmmm…anyway, off with that tangent).
Anyway…what if the change was NOT them blowing up Jughead, but stopping Jughead from leaking all over the place in the '50s.
Follow me–I think I have an idea.
Army is driven off by Whidmore/Creepy Time Lady’s Others. Jughead leaks causing “Other Sterility Disease” and necessitating A) the injections (to help prevent radiation poisoning?) and B) Making the “plague”/quarrantine thing make sense–The Swan is buried deeply enough that radiation won’t get through. This is the un-tampered with timeline where Seasons 1-4 or so happened. It also allows for the much less stoopid Dharma initiative than the hippies of S5 who couldn’t fart without an encounter group session, let alone build stuff like The Hatch and good lord, The Looking Glass (underwater!?). It’s too dangerous there with the background radiation to send all the lusers that we saw in S5. Jacob still tags the Losties though. Hell, the DI could have even come 10 years earlier so the tech and cultural stuff (why does everyone in the hatch’s musical tastes stop in 1972?) makes sense.
The divergence point is Daniel and Co stopping Jughead from leaking in 1952. With Jughead stopped we get the DI of S5. The cataclysmic events at the end of S5 are enough to convince Roger to go home with Ben. Because the island of the Alt-Timeline was blowed up/sunk, Alt-Ben’s Otherizing doesn’t take. Other changes could include Alt-Whidmore (soldier in 1952) having markedly different past . With that change, Richard would never have gone to look for Locke (and presumably alerted Jacob to Locke and the other Candidates. Without that, everyone’s lives are different. The thing that’s unique about them all is that, no matter what happens to the timeline, all of them get on flight 815.
Um…thus endeth fanboy speculation/wanking.
Liked Sayid’s death, HATED Jin and Sun’s needless death–we spent…what? Three seasons waiting for them to get back together and they shared maybe 5 minutes of screentime before they died?
Yuck.
What was the musicbox playing? I couldn’t tell, but if it was “Make Your Own Kind Of Music”, that’s creepy.
I’m now in the “Smokey AND Jacob are Evil” camp. I’m really hoping someone (at this stage, it pretty much has to be the Doc) pulls a Babylon 5 speech at Smokey and Jacob (don’t read the spoiler box if you haven’t ever seen B5 but intend to. It’ll ruin the show)
Jack to Smokey/Jacob: “It’s over because we’ve decided it’s over,” Sheridan says angrily. “Now get the hell out of our world! Both of you!”
Smokey seems to have the ability to access pretty much anyone’s memories. He probably got the bomb making info from Sayid, and build it in a way that he knew Sayid would say to pull out the two wires.
“Catch a Falling Star” according to the Closed Captioning.
(I recommend watching LOST with the CC on, as it’s easy to miss little tidbits of conversation just listening)
I don’t understand why, if FLocke wanted them all dead, he didn’t let them get on the plane and start it up. You know, something like, “You guys go ahead and get started, I’ll be right back.”
And as far as FLocke putting the bomb in Jack’s pack so he would take it into the sub, doesn’t that seem like a stretch? I mean, even if he suspected Jack’s “treachery”, Jack still said he wasn’t going with the others. Pretty lucky Widmore’s flunkies shot Kate, making sure Jack HAD to get onto the sub, huh?
Wow…
RIP Sayid, Frank, Jin, Sun… I have a feeling that Jack, Hurley, Claire and Desmond may be the only characters to make it to the final hour. At least Sayid got to redeem himself.
Next week: JvM!
Agreed that this was the writer’s intention. Seems kind of silly the way it plays out though. Richard can light a stick of dynamite and Jack can just sit there and force ‘the rules’ to fizzle it out. But Sawyer can accidently activate a bomb and suddenly everyone is fair game. Wreaks of wand ownership… I guess Smoky was the first rules lawyer.
It’s far far from clear. So far the only thing that’s clear is that the island did not sink immediately after the incident because Ben and Dr Chang escaped the island. We know that Cooper was still a scum because Sawyer is still chasing him, and did not raise Locke because they still have different last names. It’s possible he had a change of heart later in life.
If I ever meet the producers, I’m going to punch them in the nose. Nobody makes my wife cry and gets away with it.
OK, anybody else totally call the point where Locke handed Jack the backpack? I knew the C4 was in there.
And Jin and Sun dying. Oh, boo-hoo. Sorry if don’t shed any tears for people who are alive and well in the ATL.
Speaking of the ATL, one of the Losties (Jack?) is going to do something about the fact that they were all on FL 815. Maybe if they all get together, they’ll remember everything.