I wouldn’t take Naf’s death as evidence against there being a doctor. The doctor could have not believed Naf’s claim. The scum could have a kill that wouldn’t be stopped by a doc. I think there is likely a doc, because there is almost always a doc, and there was less death than potential killers, but we don’t really have evidence one way or the other.
What if the SKs were getting points for killing Scum? It does make sense, **Peeker **claimed 2 points for killing Bufftabby, and then outted himself.
It would also make sense with **Blam **having some detective skills, so he can find Scum
There does seem to be an easy exlanation to the protection issue (even including a regular doc), though I’m not sure why **MHaye **hasn’t brought it up in his defense.
On Nights 2 and 3, it’s possible that both **MHaye **and the doc protected NAF. There was a WiFoM situation with them and the Scum as to if they would protect **NAF **or his recently confirmed. **MHaye **may have felt like the doc would be protecting NAF, and had been, since NAF’s confirmed were being killed. So maybe he decided to switch to cookies or total (knowing they would be NAF-confirmed) and maybe the doctor did too.
Or, maybe **MHaye **stopped trusting NAF, since no one targeted him.
However, with all that said. I’m not buying into MHaye’s story at this time.
No, just toNight. I’ve been fleshing out the timeline of the game, trying to see if MHaye’s claimed actions makes sense to me, magic bag or no.
So far, not so much. My instincts as doc are to play conservatively, and protect the best target, instead of trying to get cute and outthink an unknown group of players. I realize that my way is not always someone else’s way, but I’m having a hard time reconciling not protecting NAF.
My totally arbitrary guess is that the serial killers, assuming BlaM was telling the truth about his powers, were only able to kill/“get points” for a specific and probably disjoint between them subset of the players. I doubt this has much relevance.
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Rapier and KidV on the offboard are one in the same. He announced on the offboard away thread that he was on vacation. Until, I believe, next week. His participation was going to be limited to begin with, but then he announced somewhere that his laptop, with which he was going to use to occosaionally check in in on these games, died, so he won’t be back until he comes off of vacation.
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Might have something to do with the alpha/beta distincion.
Here’s a thought: Each night, he can target someone. Anyone who targets that person gets killed/stunned…he could be, like, a curser. He lays a curse on someone, making him deadly (or near deadly) to all those around him. Consider–the scum had 3 people and 5 days to come up with fake roles, plus all of their PMs for the style aspect. That it looks believable does not render it believable.
I can change the vote of a fellow mason once per day. More or less useless, now, since HM’s confirmed anyway.
ok, just promise that you’ll let HM have her own say.
See previous “don’t let pede carry the explosives” comment. 
He won’t need to do anything. We will be voting together.
Could you be more specific? You only think I was acting fishy because hal turned up town. Had he turned up scum, my posts would have made perfect sense.
I’ve already said this, but I’ll try and state it more clearly. I didn’t like the way the votes swung from hal to Mhaye. Hal’s lead in the votes slowly crept up as the day wore on.
At 3:41(CST) Hal had 6 votes and Mhaye had 4.
over the next 50 mins, Dotchan voted Mhaye and Total Lost, Cookies, and Special Ed all unvoted Hal and voted for Mhaye.
At 4:29, Hal had 3 votes and Mhaye had 8.
And that’s when I made my remark that most people found fishy. Lets say that Hal was scum and Mhaye isn’t. Mhaye was the next in line vote wise. If scum were rushing to save Hal, they would have put their votes on the next closest person in the votes.
To me, that’s what looked like was going on. Of course, now that we know Hal is town, I was obviously wrong. But, like it had been said many times before that, with only a few people voting, scum could easily turn the tide of the vote and choose who they wanted to lynch. I had no way of knowing that is what wasn’t going on.
I was concerned about the sudden swing of votes and felt I needed to comment. In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t. I’m not sure that I believe Mhaye’s claim. And even if he is a doctor, he’s done a pretty poor job of it.
Oh, and I missed a part. The day ended at 6:00 PM (CST) which was only 90 mins from when Mhaye took the drastic lead. I just seemed to me like a last minute attempt for scum to save one of their own.
Yeah, I know Cookies is town, but I was pretty sure that there was a significant scum presence in those eight votes.
From my perspective, and I think I stated this, I had believed **Hal **more likely to be Scum. I switched my vote as **total ****lost **and **cookies **did, because I was of the belief that our confirmed and semi-confirmed were going to try to vote in a block. **Pede **and **HM **were voting/unvoting/revoting for Almost, who had 2 votes. I don’t recall the exact changes, but it really was comical, then total and cookies abandoned MHaye. so I went back to Hal.
My vote did not leave MHaye and is in fact still there.
This is the statement that brewha made that struck me:
Of the four votes that seemed to bother brewha (Dotchan, myself, Total Lost, and special ed) two of us were in the confirmed-attempt-to-vote-as-a-block, and by voting for Mhaye, we joined pedescribe in his vote for Mhaye and for the briefest of moments had achieved 3/4 of our total available block on Mhaye.
As I commented shortly thereafter, people were basically coming out and saying they were willing to vote with the block. Half of the block moved and joined another 1/4 of the block. Unconfirmed players joined us.
Now if there hadn’t been a block of confirmed players, and if we hadn’t experienced an exodus from MHaye that put a townie Hal in the noose, I may have not thought twice about brewha. But there was a block, the block was in the process of moving to MHaye, and we did have enough votes move from MHaye that resulted in a townie Hal being lynched.
So a FOS on brewha at this point, for ignoring that whatever herding sensation that was being perceived probably had more to do with the block activity than anything else, and injecting just enough paranoia and doubt to break up a perfectly good MHaye lynch that a lot of us appear to have decided to try again toMorrow.
I seem to have said something that I thought perfectly clear, but enough others have misinterpreted what I said that maybe I should have spelled out what I was talking about.
First read Hawkeyeop’s post [post=10698904]D05.225[/post], then read [post=10699790]my reply[/post].
Hawk asked me why I didn’t burn off my first protection so that, when I defended a Townie against an attacker later, I killed the attacker? My reply was “What if that attacker were a Vig?”
Why does anyone assume that I’m talking about defending Pedescribe on Night 1 here when a moment’s thought would show that fort the idiocy it is?
Hawk did in the very next post, and amrussell in [post=10701340]D05.245[/post]. Please stop thinking I’m that silly. Of course I was not worried about a Vig attacking Pede on Night 1. Why should I be?
But if I had used my warning shot on Night 1, and then I (or the one I guarded) were attacked by a Vig who had come to a different conclusion than I did, I’d kill an active Town power role, and simultaneously lose the ability to defend myself any more – a double whammy to the Town. That’s what I meant.
Worse, defending Pedescribe on Night 1 was an action likely to result in a waste of that shell. Think about the implications of the way my power works, compared to that of a regular Doc. The Doc works by reactively healing the damage inflicted by the attack so that the victim lives; I stop the attack from ever occurring in the first place.
Let’s suppose that I had protected Pedescribe, and that a healer-type Doc had also protected Pedescribe, who was then attacked in the Night by a malign intruder – a deadite or PFK. I (assuming that I could detect the attacker) would have spent my first cartridge that Night, and the healer Doc would have twiddled their thumbs.
One of my aims throughout has been to maximise the number of protections the Town had each Night, to increase the likelihood of a block. We now know that BlaM attacked Pedescribe in Night 1, and someone did save Pede. I consider that a validation of my reasoning that Night.
I now go back to answer other queries people raised after I went to the land of Nod.
Good point. Again, my reasoning depends on a lot of “if I were role x, what would I do in this situation?” type thinking.
In the case of Vig attacking NAF, I thought the chance was low. Remember, the proposed plan was for NAF to build a group of investigated players that would be cleared when he died and his alignment became known. Since he could only investigate one statement per Day, it would take time to build a respectable number - at least three Days. In Night 2 we had one reliable result. A Town aligned Vig would only go after NAF at that point if he was pretty certain that NAF was lying. If there were enough evidence for NAF’s untruthfulness in the thread, I’d like to think I would have caught it. I thought a Vig would only attack NAF if they had private information that NAF was lying - ie there was a combination Vig/Detective, or a cop who could talk to a Vig privately in game.
I didn’t think either eventuality was likely.
Ladies, gentlemen, Noids:
The Dawn is now on temporary administrative hold. A game-related situation has arisen that requires me to consult with minds greater than my own to make a decision. Thank you for your patience; I will extend the forthcoming Day to last a full 72 hours, regardless of how long Dawn is delayed.