We don’t know that the Mafia targeted Normal…though I do agree that seems the most likely scenario at this point.
She was the most prolific poster during Day 1, but unlike some of the other more ‘talkative’ folks, came under little to no suspicion. It’s possible that she said some things that ‘bothered’ the Mafia enough to decide that she needed to become dead, and they couldn’t count on the Town to do it for them.
Her votes on Day 1:
[del]Boozahol Squid, P.I. (102-147)
ToeJam (147-322)
septimus (322-714)
Pleonast (824-1011)[/del]
ToeJam (1011)
Firstly…sure, why not? Maybe **ToeJam **and **Lakai **are both Town, and Scum was driving both the wagons.
Second, remember that in this game the “Scum” is composed of two separate groups, which cannot coordinate with each other. Maybe the Wolves spearheaded the Lakai effort, and the Mafia went after ToeJam.
Or maybe you’re correct, and the ToeJam votes were entirely spearheaded by Town. It’s impossible to say at this point…the only thing we can be certain of is that we really can’t be certain.
No. What I’m saying is that early game bandwagons can form and dissolve for all kinds of chaotic and random reasons that have nothing to do with coordinated efforts toward or away from anything. But from a risk analysis perspective, you also can’t just rule out when coordination might be there.
Hypothetically speaking, anti-town factions might have been striving for a ToeJam lynch but the wagon on Lakai just crossed the line first full of Townie’s who figured losing a claimed Vanilla Town wasn’t enough of a disincentive not to vote for him.
Well, Day One sucked. That’s bad for us, but it’s good for the bar receipts.
In hopes of a brighter Day Two (and if I can get the Wolves drunk enough, a bloodless Night One,) the bar has a special on the Brighter Sun.
Two ounces of light rum
One ounce of triple sec
a dash of citrus bitters
Shaken over ice, strained, poured into a wooden chalice made in the likeness of the Holy Grail from the third Indiana Jones move
And filled with sparkling lemonade.
Remember kids, never shake a carbonated beverage. It’s a messy proposal.
As someone whom** Normal** wanted to “snuggle so hard”, I would caution against trying to figure out why the scum chose the kill they did, especially when we don’t even know for sure which was the scum kill. I’ve never seen it be helpful to Town.
I think the list of Normal’s votes is helpful because she’s a good player and we know she was Town, but that’s it.
It is not attitude, it is logic, paranoia, and risk aversion in a game designed to make us lie and manipulate each other.
It is totally your prerogative to be dubious about my posting frequency and substance, and even my attitude, but I assure you the last one is a waste of time.
Why would “anti-town factions” have been “striving for a** ToeJam** lynch”? All scum care about is that someone other than them gets lynched. I can actually see the early-game ToeJam wagon as an attempt to save Colby, but why would scum late in the game care about whether **ToeJam **was lynched instead of Lakai? If they think ToeJam is a PR or member of the other team, they can just kill him without having to risk exposure by manipulating the vote.
What are you even talking about? Why do you have such a problem with me trying to do vote analysis? You act like I had declared Colby confirmed Town or something.
Thing Fish, the problem with you analysis is very simple; you said “we know (the run of votes on ToeJam) wasn’t scum-motivated”…which is simply incorrect.
We do not ***know ***anything of the sort. You may *suspect *that to be the case; you may have a good argument supporting your suspicion, but you can’t *know *it. The only people in this game who know anything at this stage are Scum - and with two different Scum factions, even they know less than they would in a ‘normal’ game.
Fine. My use of the word “know” was inappropriate. It is theoretically possible that one or both scum teams may have decided, late in Day One with a Townie on the block, that they wanted to risk being noticed coordinating their votes in order to lynch someone else. I am not aware of any game in the history of Mafia where this has ever happened; every scum team I have ever seen has attempted to disperse themselves inconspicuously among the voting blocs if they don’t have to rescue a comrade. But you are quite correct that we certainly cannot completely rule out the possibility. Unfortunately, the nature of the game is such that we must often make decisions based on less than perfect information.
(oog) Part of me is laughing my ass off because of who you addressed this comment to. But the better part of me is creepy insulted. Please let us not go down that road.