Like i said, there are EIGHT posts from Boozahol toDay, and yeah. It’s pretty thin. Mechanics of multiple lynch, OMGUS accusation, why are you voting me, a couple of posts about why he feels Crys should be lynched, and if Idle flips town, will that be a good use of the lynch?
D3.306: Response to Hoopy re 3rf Party mislynches – killing 3p with 2nd lynch would be better than another town death. Had argued for using 2nd lynch mechanic D2. Hitting 3P with 2nd lynch is better than using it on another Town.
D3. 326 – Accuses Angel of OMGUS vote.
D3.426 –Asks if Captain Klutz had a reason to vote for him.
D3. 499 – Votes Crys because he doesn’t like cases on Idle or Prof , wont vote ToeJam due to Doc claim, and of the two cultists he would keep prefer to sach around to help town.
D3. 532 – responds to Johnny Bravo about better to lynch sach or Crys. Boozy refers to breadcrumbs in D0 from sach, and if he is nefarious, so is she, so standing by preference for Crys as a lynch.
D3.620 – Thinks Crys is antagonistic 3P. Thinks LUTHA are win-stealers, and while not as good as lynching scum, it’s a hell of a lot better than lynching another Town.
D3.650 – asks Angel if she will feel good about using the day’s lynch on Idle if he turns out to be town.
Ugh. Missing any time at all renders this game quickly unmanageable.
A few brief thoughts: unvote
vote Idle Thoughts
Son, you ALWAYS melt down, and maybe it’s because the first time I saw you do the “bizarre play with loudness” thing you were scum (back in Sekham) but I cannot not see it as scummy.
Angel’s participating, and that’s enough to make me not repeatedly vote her.
Still not particularly convinced by paulwhoisaghost.
The cases on Boozy and Diggit both look interesting.
I’m not sure I really understand the case on Prof P.
Okay, so I felt that Meeko’s vote on me was fair as it was primarily a poke for not being very active in the game. But your vote Thing Fish feels different. Almost all fluff? I haven’t posted much because I don’t want to post fluff - your definition of fluff must be really different than mine. And I voted for Brewha, along with how many others? A vote on a player who was caught in a lie? The discussion of how the switched work was a legitimate discussion and did get us some clarification from the mods. This vote feels to me like it’s being cast by someone scummy who knows my alignment is Town and has knowledge about me, possibly from an investigation or whatnot.
I’m quickly going to post some of my thoughts on other issues as I’m at a friend’s who is kind enough to let me use his computer and is forgiving my rudeness in ignoring him to try to catch up.
Idle - I have no idea if he’s playing us or not, but I’m a bit more inclined to think he is, possibly along with some team mates.
Toe Jam - I believe his claim for now and the idea of pretending to be a different power to draw fire while self-protecting makes sense to me.
The Cult - I feel like there might be something fishy going on here. First because 5 3rd parties all on one “team” seems like a lot to me. I would expect that they (if they exist at all) aren’t the only flavour of 3rd party - which is why 5 seems like too many. Do I think they’re Wolves pretending? I think it’s a slight possibility. I don’t have a problem lynching one of them (agree that Sachertorte would be the better option) as it would provide potentially helpful information and avoid lynching a Townie. But I also agree that finding Scum is more important to focus on.
I don’t recall if there was any alignment revealing investigative scum powers. I may be wrong, but if I’m right, then how could any scum know the alignment of anyone else who isn’t on their team?
Thing Fish and Pleonast: Who knew what scum knew and when did they know it.
Dammit, Thing Fish. Posting vote counts makes it hard to search your useful posts for “Pleonast.” Here’s a recap with only posts related to the Thing Fish and Pleonast issue, ordered chronologically. I include posts by non TF or Pleo players as I catch them, but I’m only searching TF and Pleo. Search started with D1.
[spoiler]Pleonast N0.234 - Pleonast points out that the scum messages do not inform them of scum teammates, giving rise to the possibility of ignorant scum. Pleonast seems to think is a potential strength for scum. [I strongly disagree. Town has the advantage of numbers. Scum has the advantage of information. If scum throws away their advantage by not reading it, they are at a disadvantage. It poses a different challenge for town, possibly, but it’s not good scum play.]
Pleo N0.243 - Reiterates his believe that uninformed scum pose a greater challenge.
Thing Fish D1.192 - TF quotes Pleonast’s posts about scum not being informed of who their teammates are Quoted above) and questions why Pleonast would immediately start talking about what Pleonast thinks is the best strategy for scum.
Pleo D1.241 - Agrees that players attempting to secretly communicate via post editing is nearly cheating. [I bring up several problems with this theoretical communication in a D1 post. - HookerChemical]
Discussion of why town should not discuss town power roles but should discuss scum power roles.
Other issues related to other posters and roles.
Responds to D1.192 with more discussion of not discussing town roles, but Pleo likes the way TF brought up the Outrider and Hitman roles. He references this in several of his posts.
TF D1.253 - Says Pleo’s rebuttal doesn’t respond to issue at all. Quotes Pleo’s D1.241 post. Quoted in full, edits for formatting and clarity:
TF D1.794 - Accuses Pleonast of missing the point of TF’s Post 192 during Pleo’s rebuttal in 241.
TF D1.804 - Invites others to Pleonast wagon. Comments on other players.
Pleo D1.841 - Says he did address TF’s D1.192 post and won’t waste additional bandwidth on the issue.
TF D1.1145 - Still thinks Pleonast is scummiest. Other comments on other players.
Pleo D2.121 - Here’s where Pleo opens fire on Thing Fish in an omnibus post. Unrelated parts have been removed.
Ender24 D2.126 - Responds to Pleo D2.121. Ender says he made the same assumption that other factions have boards to discuss strategy, notes nobody called out Ender for that assumption.
Pleo D2.149 - States we do know scum have boards, says we do not know what information is there and that TF implicitly stated that the scum board does not state who is on that team. Chronis D2.182 - Accuses Pleo of having the PIS that Pleo is accusing TF of having.
Pleo D2.222 - Responds to Chronos D2.182 and states that theres’ no infomration in saying that someone who does not read a secret boards gains no information from it but that TF implicitly stated that a player who has read the secret board does know who their scum team is. I will quote it below because it is the clearest explanation of what Pleo’s accusation is.
TF D2.284 - TF restates his case on Pleonast from previous posts. Says that Pleo sounds like he is trying to signal scum teammates to adopt his strategy of not reading the boards or breadcrumb to them that he is the “missing” teammate.
HookerChemical D2.295 - HC states he thinks TF’s asumptions are pretty reasonable and agrees that the breadcrumb theory makes sense. Votes Pleonast. [This is a pretty abbreviated case, and I really wish HookerChemical would look into the whole history of the PIS accusations. Get on that, Hooker.]
TF D2.297 - TF votes Pleonast, presumably in response to HookerChemical.
TF D2.996 - TF unvotes Pleonast, moves to ToeJam, but goofs the tags.
TF D2.999 and D2.1000 - An amusing series of fixes to the vote tags that amuses me more than it should.
Pleo D3.141 - Pleo casts his initial D3 vote for Thing Fish.
Lightfoot D3.152 - Lightfoot responds to Pleo’s D3.141 post. She hass issues throughout Pleo’s post unrelated to the TF issue. When he gets to the TF issue, she links TF D1.253 and says Pleo “started it.”
Pleo D3.169 - Responds to Lightfoot’s D3.141 post.
LightFoot D3.174 - To Pleo, quoting the above:
[Quoted unnecessarily because the post amuses me.]
TF D3.184 - Quoted below, because it’s relevant, if less amusing than Lightfoot.
Pleo D3.187 - Questions why TF is so confident that he won’t draw other votes in TF’s D3.184.
TF D3.189 - TF states his confidence based on yesterDay and confidence that nobody will buy Pleo’s case.
Pleo D3.307 - Pleonast characterizes Thing Fish’s D3.189 response as “how scum thing: the important thing about a vote is how many players follow it.”[/spoiler]
That’s it. This is type of summary is going to be more nightmarish as the game goes on, but I do get a kick of rereading some of the responses knowing how things turn out. Things like not wasting bandwidth then spending two Days tilting at windmills amuse me.
I’m still where I was when I voted Pleonast. I think his accusation that TF has PIS are extremely weak. I guess they’re technically true, but TF’s assumption that scum are not welcomed to their board with a list of their teammates is consistent with my recent games on Giraffe and Straight Dope.
The assumption is not even necessary to make. A scum player wanting to play a solo scum game would simply never go to the scum board. The idea that scum would go to the board and not find out who their teammates are is bizarre.
Finally, the assumption that scum know who scum are is implicit in accusations of scum bandwagoning, bussing, or similar accusations of scum collusions. It’s an assumption built into most scum hunting.
Pleo’s accusation makes no sense. It’s taking something that is technically true (Thing Fish assumed that reading the scum board would name the other scum), but it’s bizarre to think that scum wouldn’t find out the scum from their board.
I may be to late in doing this to make the lynch to happen today. I think today is already decided. I think there’s a decent chance Idle flips scum. Even if he isn’t scum, I understand why it has to happen.
979 apologizes for not keeping up, equivocates about Colby, isn’t going to vote. 982 trivial NETA 1407 Outcome of Day one was crappy, apologizes for not participating
Day Two 66 Night one also yucky, suspects ToeJam, recalls that Idle lurks as Town?! 67 Defends Capt. Klutz against a vote by Drain Bead. This is about the only post of his that feels like “playing Mafia” to me. 202 Accepts correction from Angel re: Idle’s meta, but still wouldn’t vote for him. 207 Wonders if it’s significant that Batman’s role PM doesn’t specifically state that he can be affected by other power roles?! 208 trivial NETA 492 Discusses switches. Is suspicious of brewha. 716 votes brewha, congratulates himself for having been one of the first to suspect him. 717 comment son Bravo’s plan for mass Mason/Lutha claim 1117- “crap! sorry, brewha!”
Day Three -
593 changes his mind and decides to vote for Idle based on meta after all. Apologizes for not keeping up.
And, well, then you can scroll up to 808 ff.
Not seeing a lot of scum hunting there. He’s quite right that a lot of people voted for brewha. A lot of people are also lurking, but he is right in the sweet spot of the scummy Venn diagram there.
There is the Bloodhound and the Informant who can watch people for the Wolves and Mafia, respectively. But would scum care if someone was town or not before voting for them? Any lynch that’s not a member of their team is a good lynch, whether it’s town or scum.
Idle Thoughts - pretty comfortable with him as the lynch leader. I read along with the meltdown on Friday afternoon, thinking that this guy wasn’t really going to be helpful either way. So, if he’s scum, which many people believed due to meta-evidence, then all good. Otherwise, maybe we spare ourselves another round of nonsense.
Prof P. - I got a strong scum suspicion from him, based on some of the comments here earlier (lots of helpful posting, but not much investigation), and my single (1) time of playing with him earlier. I know, small sample size and whatnot, but it seems like Prof is trying to lay low as best he can. I know Angel is convinced that he’s non-scum based on a sincere-sounding apology - and he/she is much more experienced than me - but, I dunno if I buy it.
Toejam - will be very suspicious if he doesn’t turn up dead in the night, I think.
BillMC - mild scum lean on this, not exactly sure why, have to review all the old posts again. I do recall the blanket throwing of suspicion on all the new subs though…
For today, I shall
vote Prof P
Not the current lynch leader, but I’m OK with either him or Idle today.