Just to make it clear - I have no problem whatsoever with Israel defending itself against terrorists. But the terrorists should be arrested and tried, not assassinated, and certainly not in a way that virtually guarantees massive loss of innocent life.
I love the way you claim Bibliovore is making ad-hominem attacks, yet keep calling him an apologist-for-terrorists because he speaks out against the IDF.
It’s as simple as this. You don’t care that the IDF kill civilians because those getting killed aren’t Jewish.
Hey, if your policies will end up supporting terrorism, I’ll call you on it.
If you are insulted that your policies would end up supporting terrorism, I’d advise you to change them.
I can’t figure out which is it, are you not reading current events or just ignoring them?
If you really want I’ll give you cites for the following:
The PLO charter calls for the genocide of all Jews in Israel.
Between 60 and 80 percent of the Palestinian people support suicide bombings targeted at civilians.
Again.
If it is proven that this was indeed not a Jenin style “massacre” then I will extend full condemnation to Israel and the IDF (if this was ordered).
Until it is proven, I will assume that the Palestinians are using their same old tactics and that, predictably, the liberals have fallen for it hook-line-and-sinker.
FinnAgain just try to post this.
If they have shot an innocent in the head with a sniper rifle they are wrong.
Go on try it it may be quite liberating for you.
Terrorists are bastards and the suicide bombers from Palestine are murderers. See it’s easy now you give it a go.
BTW just in case you actually need proof that a Israeli would do something wrong :eek: How about a fucker who took out a man using a sniper rifle who was protecting children and then said he was aiming at a terrorist who was armed and wearing combats. Guess what? He was lying and now admits to killing him.
This shouldn’t come as a shock, but I don’t support the murder of civilians, of any religion.
I also wouldn’t put it past the Palestinians to shoot their own civilians in order to get some good press.
These are people who send children into combat.
Show me proof that the Israeli government has a policy of shooting children in the head and I’ll call it a war crime.
But Israel will still be justified in using military force to respond to Hamas et al.
I would agree, assuming the Palestinians would allow it.
You tell me, honestly, what would happen if a brigade of Israeli tanks rolled into PA territory in order to arrest the Hamas leadership?
Wouldn’t that ensure MORE loss of innocent life?
What were they targetting? A non-existent wall of a non-existent house?
No, it does not. That is, perhaps, what murdering filth like Hamas call for. The PLO took the unprecedented step of recognising Israel in Oslo in 1993.
lets say there are two suspected terrorists in an apartment complex in Tel Aviv. would you think it ok for the IDF to fire a missile into the apartment complex, killing dozens of innocent Israeli citizens just to make sure the two suspected terrorists were dead?
If you don’t agree with this, how do you support them doing the same to apartment complexes in Palestinian areas?
Survey says: Nope.
Fact is, if you want Israel punished for collateral damage, you are an apologist for terror, because your position emboldens and strengthens them. Doesn’t matter if you realize this fact, it’s still true.
And, I certainly care if civilians are murdered.
I simply doubt that many Palestinians are as ‘innocent’ as their propaganda claims.
Wow, what a surprise. You cross posted with me and I already said that.
Try again.
Same kinda thinking led to 13 people being murdered on the streets of Derry on Bloody Sunday.
It’s as wrong and actually at the end of the day idiotic then as it is now.
I hate to say it, but you repeating it over and over doesn’t make it true.
Can Israel really do no wrong in your eyes?
Can Palestine do any right?
I’m suprised you don’t get sideswiped more often given the restrictive blinkers you are wearing. Rather than any assumption of the innocence of Palestinian kids, you would rather dream up some sort of justification for them to be shot in the head by snipers. That’s very sad indeed.
No, they were trying to disperse a crowd of Palestinians moving into a war zone.
The Palestinians declared war on Israel.
Thus, a crowd of enemies headed into a war zone is a valid military target.
(and yes, it’d be real nice to think they were all civilians, but the Israels don’t have that luxury. The Palestinians routinely send women and children to kill Isrealis)
Unfortunately you’ve fallen for propaganda.
Sure, they recognized it at Oslo (and then responded with suicide bombings).
BUT.
The charter is STILL not changed.
And I challenge you to find a copy of the charter, in English or Arabic, where they recognize the right of Israel to exist.
Oh COME ON!!!
Do you think the Israelis in tel aviv would riot if the IDF came to arrest terrorists?
Do you think the Palestinians wouldn’t riot if the IDF came to arrest terrorists?
Face facts, the situation is NOT equal on both sides.
Yeah try saying it without the stupid qualification
Which coincidentally is what was said about Bloody Sunday as well. You guys really need to brush up on your shite.
The Brits have already beaten you too all the good rationalisations for murdering people whom are looking for some rights and justice in their own fucking land.
I fail to see why it is wrong to recognize the factual reality that the Palestians use women and children in their war as well as that 60-80% of their society wants genocide and/or attacks targeted at Israeli civilians.
Again, this is the factual reality.
Why is it wrong to say it?
Articles such as this make me wonder where exactly the bullets came from…
Official IDF Source Confirms: Have Photos of Palestinians Killing 2 Palestinian Children
(Without the release of the pictures referenced, it’s difficult to say how credible the source is.)
No, the inherent truth value makes it true.
- There is virtually zero international pressure on Arafat.
- Arafat et al direct terrorist attacks at Israel.
- Israel responds with assassinations.
- There is global condemnation of ISRAEL ONLY.
- Terrorists receive support in that their enemy is limited.
QED.
Ya know… since the Palestinians want the genocide of the Jews, I’m kinda willing to grant Israel the right to defense-under-extraordinary-circumstances.
And, sure the Palestinians could do right in my eyes: Arrest all the terrorists, police their own people, stop the Intifada.
Fair enough, but you know what I think is really sad?
The fact that the Palestinians regularly use children in military operations and you’re shocked that Palestinian children are becoming targets of war.
** stop them from sending their children to kill and die and they’ll stop killing and dying!!!**
Again, this isn’t a dream. I have factual support for the pattern of Palestinian war making.
I don’t know why the liberals are so damn insistent on ignoring the facts.
FinnAgain,
I disagree with you on so many issues here that I barely know where to start. But I think the most important and fundamental point of contention is that you don’t really seem to believe that there is such a thing as an “innocent” Palestinian. I may be misinterpreting your posts, but that’s the way you’re coming across. According to you, even children are fair game in this conflict because they’re “soldiers”.
So let’s try to clear that up right now and work from there - do you believe that there is such a thing as an innocent Palestinian? And by “innocent”, I mean one that is not an active member of a terrorist organisation and who does not attack the IDF or Israeli civilians.
Answer that one, and we’ll have something to work with
Yeah… a ‘stupid’ qualification that as long as they weren’t being used a soldiers it was wrong.
How stupid of me!
And, just because similar justifications were used for two different events does not make them the same.
Evaluate each, separately, on its own merits.
Shame on you.