Natalie Holloway

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Why is everyone acting like “Pretty White Girl” syndrome is a new phenomenon?

[Sampiro]

@Dangerosa

Not unless we send Brittney Spears to Aruba on a blind date with Joran.

1. I hope and pray that nobody with power in Hollywood reads the above (at least not before the Writer’s Strike ends)

2. Joran would totally be Britney’s bitch- I’m guessing she’s snorted things the Incans and Afghans would have run screaming from.

[Genghis_Bob]

@Really Not All That Bright

Why is everyone acting like “Pretty White Girl” syndrome is a new phenomenon?

Who is this “everyone” you speak of? :dubious:

[Miller]

@Nava

There is a difference between going to college (where some people actually study, go to class and so forth) and going to a beach trip as a graduation celebration.

@Nutty Bunny

That’s my point, exactly. After graduation, kids usually get a job and mature a little bit after being out of the cocoon of high school. To let their child go to a strange country unsupervised immediately after graduation was irresponsible.

The same dangers faced by a party in Aruba (too much drink, too much drugs, skeevy guys who want to get in your pants and aren’t too concerned about pesky things like consent) are equally present at any college campus. If your kid is too young and naive to deal with the one, she’s probably too young and naive to deal with the other. I don’t really see how an extra three months working a McJob is going to be the deciding factor between “partying responsibly” and “having your corpse dumped off-shore.”

[Baron_Greenback]

@Nutty Bunny

That’s my point, exactly. After graduation, kids usually get a job and mature a little bit after being out of the cocoon of high school. To let their child go to a strange country unsupervised immediately after graduation was irresponsible.

Heh, nice!

[PunditLisa]

@Nutty Bunny

That’s my point, exactly. After graduation, kids usually get a job and mature a little bit after being out of the cocoon of high school. To let their child go to a strange country unsupervised immediately after graduation was irresponsible.

Aruba has an enviable crime record when compared to most U.S. cities. And she WAS supposed to be supervised. The supervising parents were rather lax and will undoubtedly regret being so for the rest of their lives. I don’t think Holloway’s parents were acting the least bit irresponsibly.

If anyone needs to have stones thrown at them, it would be the van der sloot’s.

[Duckster]

I’m sorry that Natalie Holloway is dead. I extend my sympathies to her family and friends. However, I know someone who taught her in high school and she was far, far from being a “nice” girl.

[brazil84]

@Scoundrel Swanswater

But I have to say that I think Peter R. de Vries is just about as big a creep.

Not to mention his spice addiction.

[Aries28]

@Duckster

I’m sorry that Natalie Holloway is dead. I extend my sympathies to her family and friends. However, I know someone who taught her in high school and she was far, far from being a “nice” girl.

I have never claimed she was a nice girl but I think even a girl who was Slutty McSlutterson (not saying she was) didn’t deserve to be dumped off in the ocean without anyone even trying to summon help for her if that is indeed what happened.

I think the media should be ashamed for the constant coverage when other people of other races and backgrounds went missing that same week with barely a mention.

But I can’t get behind the mindset of “Oh well…she was stupid and that’s what happens to people who are stupid.”

I went on a senior trip to a foreign country when I graduated and I actually did go visit musems and whatnot and wasn’t interested in drinking on the trip. I’m sure I made some stupid choices though, not being from the area/culture/etc. and being an overall trusting person.

Guess I’m just lucky I didn’t wind up like Natalee.

[Cluricaun]

@Missy2U

Absolutely. That’s what the Fox River is for!

That would be funnier if it weren’t so true. You find all sorts of things in the Fox…all sorts.

[wring]

@Sunrazor

I’m dubious about the whole confession thing in the first place. If you think U.S. journalists have only tatters of their credibility left, the Euros are even worse. What one sees on the video of Joran van der Sloot “confessing” may not be what really happened.

I’m just sayin’, before we start talking about “closure,” let’s exercise due skepticism.

Um, yea. In the tape, he states that he walked to a nearby pay phone, called a buddy and the buddy came and dumper her in a boat.

Wouldn’t ya think that (even in Aruba) they’d have checked out phone calls from the pay phone? and especially checked out person called in the middle of the night? and been even more interested if that same person had a link to the main suspect? and even more interested if that same person also had a boat? instead of picking up this twerp and the two brothers every couple of months. The story I read had the defense attorney stating that there were provably false things in the ‘confession’, and noted above. I believe that damn near anyone who had a boat and knew this guy was checked out.

[Sampiro]

@Duckster

I’m sorry that Natalie Holloway is dead. I extend my sympathies to her family and friends. However, I know someone who taught her in high school and she was far, far from being a “nice” girl.

Out of curiosity, do you mean she was “not nice” in the sense that she was slutty and or used drugs, or that she was a snobby/bitchy person?

[Gus_Gusterson]

@Scoundrel Swanswater

Bullshit. Her life was cut short by her drinking and snorting too much.
Joran didn’t kill her, he hid her body.
Not that that makes him eligible for the title Gentleman of the year but he didn’t abduct and kill her.

And this is exactly what he wants everyone to believe. He killed her. Everyone believes he killed her. So he “confesses” to just dumping her body (and not killing her) while being “secretly” videotaped. It’s genius. Since he was supposedly unaware of the videotaping, people believe that what he said on the tape must be true. All of a sudden he’s not a killer, he’s just a kid who found himself in a bad situation and made a horrifyingly bad choice. Never mind the fact that he is a scumbag, suddenly his word is gold. Baffling.

I don’t believe it for a second. If the girl you just finished banging dies and you didn’t kill her you don’t dump her in the ocean, thus making you a suspect in her death. You call for help, because that’s what an innocent person would do.

[Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun]

@wring

Um, yea. In the tape, he states that he walked to a nearby pay phone, called a buddy and the buddy came and dumper her in a boat.

Wouldn’t ya think that (even in Aruba) they’d have checked out phone calls from the pay phone? and especially checked out person called in the middle of the night? and been even more interested if that same person had a link to the main suspect? and even more interested if that same person also had a boat? instead of picking up this twerp and the two brothers every couple of months. The story I read had the defense attorney stating that there were provably false things in the ‘confession’, and noted above. I believe that damn near anyone who had a boat and knew this guy was checked out.

From what I heard on the radio, that pay phone did not work and the friend that was supposed to have helped was in another country.

[wring]

@Two and a Half Inches of Fun

From what I heard on the radio, that pay phone did not work and the friend that was supposed to have helped was in another country.

at any rate, easily proved false.

[brazil84]

Based on the facts I’ve seen so far, I would guess that he gave her drugs (either slipped into her drink or accepted willingly), she had a bad reaction and collapsed, and he panicked and got rid of her.

[Ogre]

@brazil84

Not to mention his spice addiction.

[Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun]

@Two and a Half Inches of Fun

From what I heard on the radio, that pay phone did not work and the friend that was supposed to have helped was in another country.

Here is some more information.

A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway’s disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don’t have one,‘’ he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward

[ralph124c]

One thing about this guy-he seems to express no emotion whatever. Is he a psychopath? His parents seem to be honest people-have they fallen for their son’s masquerade? He reminds me of Scott Peterson-didn’t bat an eyelash when they found the bodies of his wife and child.
I guess they (the prosecutors0 don’t have any chance of a conviction, as long as no body turns up!

[Sampiro]

@ralph124c

One thing about this guy-he seems to express no emotion whatever.

Unless you count petulance.

I’ve no way of knowing his guilt of course, but if it was murder (such as a date rape drug that went wrong) then his taxi-cab confession could be a brilliant move since essentially he’s unofficially plea bargained by confessing to a much lesser crime than manslaughter.

IIRC didn’t it emerge that he has a history of sexual assault accusations against him? I can’t find it on google but then I haven’t looked that hard.