Never had a girlfriend and nearly 30

In My Humble Opinion
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“Men” as a monolithic entity, probably not. Specific, individual men, hell yeah.

Depends on the girlfriend. Just like whether a boyfriend will love you or just use you for some reason depends on the boyfriend. People are people–some of them are awesome, and some of them suck.

If you need to fart, it’s generally considered poor form to yank the covers up over your partner’s head before and cackle maniacally during and after. Otherwise, no biggie. And flapping the covers on your side to dissipate the smell is appreciated, unless the room is cold and doing so lets a cold draft into your partner’s carefully constructed cocoon of blankets. She’s not going to be any sweatier and dirtier and smellier than you, assuming you have similar personal hygiene habits.

Not even remotely. And I don’t know how to break it to you, but a woman who is content to be “someone to root” with any intelligence, charm, or talent considered “other stuff [that] doesn’t hurt” is likely to consider her body her primary, perhaps her sole, contribution to the relationship. I wouldn’t hold my breath expecting such a woman to happily pay a significant portion of the household bills.

We want to be considered as the varied individuals we are.

Most people know that “equal” doesn’t necessarily mean straight-down-the-middle, even-steven, one for me one for you division of everything by the time people stop asking what grade they’re in.

Or you could bake your own damn cake. It doesn’t take all weekend, either.

Also, baking skills would give you something more to offer a woman than a big hairy chest and muscular arms.

Judging by the stuff you’ve said here, and the quoted bits from other threads…this is probably not an unreasonable assessment.

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CrazyCatLady, you are being foolish. It is not so much the cake I want baked, but rather the fact that someone else baked it for me that makes it important.

I want to insult you so much right now for being so damned silly. But I won’t. :slight_smile:

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They probably have 4 masters degrees in “woman’s issues” and earn 25k. LMAO.

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I don’t want to be rude but what you just said is something along the lines of

“hey you ugly person ! yes you ! just be more happy like me and my gorgeous large breasted girlfriend. If you were more like us you’d be happy too !”

You haven’t given any actual advice on courtship, no one has, you’ve all just given your ethical perspective on male/female relationships. I am as qualified to comment on ethics as anyone else.

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I wasn’t trying to give you advice. I was trying to tell you to be more open minded about taking advice because what you’re doing doesn’t seem to be working. I have no idea why you think it has anything to do with ethics.

That said:

[ol]
[li]Try to date younger. A woman in her early 20s is still going to realize that a 30 year old man who has never been in a relationship is unusual. But if you do hit things off you have a better chance of experiencing some things together for the first time if you’re dating, say, a 23 year old than a fellow 30 year old. Not every woman likes to date older men but it’s not at all hard to find a woman in her early 20s who is willing to date a guy in his late 20s.[/li][li]Talking about your exes early in a relationship isn’t a good idea anyway. Try not to be self-conscious on your dates and if you manage to charm her she’ll be smitten with you before she’s fully aware of your inexperience.[/li][li]You’re a little behind schedule in life. Try to pick up wherever you left off and catch up when you can. Do you have many close guy friends? Ask some of them how their first dates went, or how smooth they were getting women into bed, or how good they were sexually. Most of us were pretty horrible, but we improve steadily with experience. It would’ve been nice if you started in your early teens but that didn’t happen, so you’re going to have to learn now. Don’t expect to be amazing without any experience or to find the perfect woman right away. Just start getting some experience.[/li][/ol]

Who were the last 5 human females you met that you would want to date & how did you meet them? How long does it take to get to the 5th most recent? How about the last 5 non-married heterosexual human females aged 21-35 you met?

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I don’t see what was foolish or silly about what she said. Learn to bake something for yourself. When (and if) you have a woman in your life, you’ll have the tools and the know-how to bake something with her, and you can do other things together that she knows about and you don’t.

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Wouldn’t dating younger women be harder. If I couldn’t get a woman my own age my entire life what makes you think a woman in her early 20s who is therefore highly desirable would want to date me ?

Or did you just not think that through ?

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  1. Woman at work. What did we talk about, can’t remember was something pointless. She has massive tits and a nice ass, is in her early 20s. I have spoken to her often .

  2. Fat accountant woman. She is the most repulsive woman I have ever met. Our conversations are usually about how she hates people.

  3. A ridiculously hot woman I sometimes train with she is also in her early 20s and ridiculously hot. Actually almost all of the women I train with are hot. This also means they won’t have sex with me.

  4. Uh… friends girlfriends… married people… women who sell me food ?

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This is another example where you have unusual ideas not based on your own experience. You just decided something and aren’t even open to the possibility that you’re wrong. You’ve never been in a relationship at all, how could you possibly know women in their early 20s are the best?

If you really think women in their early 20s are the most desirable women, that’s all the more reason to take my advice. Not many people are secretly wishing they could land a long term relationship with a 22 year old.

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How do you find women to train with? Why don’t you try meeting less attractive women to train with and date them?

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Is the OP not from America? Because the way he keeps using “American” in the third person, and by his general attitude, I feel like we are giving advice to Borat.

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That is probably the best summation of this whole thread!

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This thread is starting to remind me of those started by a now-departed Doper. She’d often ask for advice on something, Dopers would line up to chime in with their ideas, and she would rebuff every attempt to answer her question. “No, that won’t work, because [blah blah blah].” Rinse, lather, repeat.

Playing armchair psychologist, I suspect the OP may have some kind of spectrum disorder, and might need more help than what we’re able to offer here.

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Oh, my lawsy. Calling me silly and foolish, but not insulting me? Such gentlemanly behavior just might turn my empty little head. I just hope the flutter this has gotten me into doesn’t cause me to muss my hair.

:rolleyes:

Look, if this post is consistent with how you act in real life…well, it ain’t your looks that keep you from getting laid. Casting my mind through all the women I’ve worked with or gone to school with or known in my personal life, I can’t think of a single one who would fuck a guy who talked to her like that, not even with someone else’s pussy. And make someone like that something special? Not just no, but HELL no.

Now, if you’ll excuse me I need to go consult with the short, dumpy guy who’s been getting in my pants for nearly 20 years about which of us is cooking supper. Keep me posted on the new and exciting results you get from continuing to do what you’ve always done.

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Let’s keep this thread civil, everyone. Remember there’s always the Pit. Keep from calling people names and insults in this forum.

That includes saying you won’t, but doing it anyway.

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I don’t even know what you are talking about. Infact, in my experience, the office ladies often bake delicious treats because they enjoy the gift of giving to others. It is commonly known that women like baking. Infact many of the men will bring in treats baked by their wives and brag about how their wives bake. This is how normal, modern, young, people behave. Women like to potter and bake and fuss and to embrace this is not an insult it is not sexist it is just how it is, how like women have long hair and breasts and men like football overwhelmingly more than women.

Men and women are different, and to this end no one gives a crap, we just get on with life. If women were just like men life would be boring as hell. I hope I don’t have to live in that world where we are all the same gender.

Also why wouldn’t women be attracted to tall athletic and handsome men ? Everyone knows that they are and there is nothing wrong with that either. Men have hormones and are attracted to women’s bodies as are women attracted to men, again with differences. These are just facts. I think my attitude towards women is just normal, practical and commonsense sense related.

If I came out to a woman and said I wanted to date her to share out intellectuals and love and respect her and treat her as an equal I’d just get laughed at and still not get laid. So I don’t see how you think that is my problem. Furthermore it is not as though you go on a first date and discuss gender relations.

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I started off listening to the advice that was given and it has gone from “just hang in there lots of people are a little slow” to the typical internet advice of “your attitude to women/be more positive/I only like men for their intelligence” brigade.

This is a lot like healthcare reform… cue sensible debate… solution proposed, nut jobs get hold of it and suddenly we’re about to default on our girlfriends.

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A girl in her early 20s is going to want to go out to parties, to go out to clubs to do all of those silly things friends in their early 20s do.

On Saturday night I would want to stay home and rent a movie and she would want to go out and be young. I just don’t see how it would work. I just don’t see WHY she would WANT to date ME.

If anyone can give a good reason as to why I should target women in their early 20s over women maybe 2 or 3 years younger than men then I’d love it hear it.

Not saying I won’t target them. I target all women, I just don’t see how it should be the priority over a “would be nice”.

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I interact with women all the time, but as I said it is either a work, training or they sell me coffee.

Prior to that I had a long history of female friends in a big group of people, who never wanted to have sex with me. I mean you can second guess all day and think maybe this girl or that girl had a crush on me but the reality is that every time I tried I was rejected, so they were probably just being friendly.

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All I can say is that you seem very sure about what people and women in particular like, want, think etc. But you can’t get a girlfriend, has it ever crossed your mind that you might know as much as you think you know?

At the end of the day this problem is your problem and there ain’t going to be no-one who can solve it for you except yourself. The best you can expect is some advice which you can choose whether or not to put into action, but if you’re not open to advice that doesn’t already fit into your preconceived notions then all you’re really asking for is reinforcement for what you think you know already.