New Show: Lucifer

That’s typical (bad) tv writing: Give a character a power then pretend it doesn’t exist in order to manufacture drama. You’re still clearly and obviously wrong, because they clearly and obviously showed him teleporting up to the roof last week.

Agreed. Him getting burned seems like conclusive proof he’s becoming mortal and anyone can hurt him. His other powers appear to still be full strength, though:

  1. Can still teleport
  2. Can still make people tell him their desires
  3. Is still super strong
  4. Is NOT immune to physical damage any longer

Still, he didn’t get burned nearly as badly as you’d expect.
I wonder if he is forgetting his powers, rather than losing them. Either forgetting he has them, or forgetting how to use them. He won’t forget how to extract people’s desires from them, since desire is one of his specialities.

He is so fascinated by humans, he is letting himself act more and more like them, and taking on more human limitations in order to understand the experience. But I don’t think that they are real limitations, merely self-imposed, and he could return to his angelic nature any time he truly wanted to. (The real wings are still stashed away somewhere, I am convinced.)

It’ll be fun to see how his attempts to do good turn out. A little like Clueless, I suspect.

Never did teleport, so can’t now.

Super strong only when really angry- and a fit man in a rage could *plausibly *do what Lucifer did. Adrenaline can make you do pretty intense things.

This is why the Detective was shocked when she witnessed him do those things, but didnt credit it as supernatural.

So, did Lucifer take a page from dad’s handbook and forgive Maze, or is he too lazy to actually fire her after telling her she’s persona non grata in his presence last episode? I mean, she’s not on the payroll at Lux but if he really hated her I doubt she’d be serving drinks to mortals out of habit.

I kinda want to see Maze take a job at the Coffee shop -

That would be fun to see.

My favorite part is when Maze pours a shot for each of them. Trixie asks if it is a Shirley Temple, and Maze drops a cherry into the shot and says “sure.”

I wish we’d seen Maze and the psychiatrist go out for drinks! That seems like a wild night!

Try to keep up. If you’ll recall, the reason the subject of teleporting was re-opened was because I pointed out last week that it sure would have been nice if he had teleported in front of the people he was chasing, instead of waiting for the crowd to disperse and then slowly running after them. Yes, the writing is inconsistent.

In this particular case, it’s certainly plausible that he can’t teleport while carrying someone else. But in general, it’s just an amusing inconsistency that most superhero shows suffer from. The classic example is the old Superman series where he would just stand there and let the bullets bounce off of him, but would duck when a crook ran out of ammo and threw the gun at him.

And I’m hugely disappointed that this show has gone full* I Dream of Jeannie* mode, with the hot chick throwing herself at him, and he’s refusing to touch her. What next, is he going to turn his club into a soup kitchen?

ETA: one more thing. Wasn’t the guy who beat up Detective Douche, while he was wearing handcuffs and Douche had a gun, the guy who just got out of a months-long coma, and was in a wheelchair a few episodes ago?

eta - yes.

You mean, the guy resurrected by an angel (so who knows how healed he is)? Who clearly didn’t need the wheelchair, as shown when he got up out of it? That guy?

Put me down on the “teleports” side. There have actually been a few times when Lucifer ends up in places he couldn’t reasonably be. There’s also the time he ended up in the chair next to the couple in bed. Chloe comes into the room and he’s already there (after she locked him in the car I believe).

Amenadiel can fly. Presumably, despite the lack of wings, Lucifer can do similarly supernatural things. But he doesn’t want to, or need to, they seem to be instinctive.

I am reminded of this scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

Yes, that guy. Resurrected by an angel to shoot Lucifer, so all he needs is the strength to pull a trigger.

But you’re right about the wheelchair. He clearly didn’t need it, that’s why he was using it. He’s obviously just an attention whore, because anybody who can (with great effort) stand up clearly doesn’t need a wheelchair

…and the ability to get to his target…

Hospitals put patients who don’t need them in wheelchairs all the time as a matter of policy

Not so much attention whore as canny faker - I mean, it would look mighty suspicious if he was just dancing around the station the day after coming out of his coma, wouldn’t it?

Oh, yeah!

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Amenadiel can fly. Presumably, despite the lack of wings, Lucifer can do similarly supernatural things. But he doesn’t want to, or need to, they seem to be instinctive.

I don’t know what the logic of the show is yet, but, in the Judeo-Christian mythology this draws on, angels are spiritual beings, not material ones. However, they can materialize physical bodies if they choose to manifest in the material world, to deliver messages, intervene in human lives, mate with human beings, etc. The wings are not necessary for flight, but they symbolize flight, and spiritual nature, and are part of the message when they appear.

Lucifer is embracing the material world about 66.6%. he’s not going to give up his powers of seduction and eliciting desire, after all, and I believe he burned the fake wings, and still has the real ones stashed away safely. But he has embraced some of the limitations inherent to the physical world, and thus the powers only kick in when his instinct kicks in. And he still doesn’t really believe that he can be seriously hurt, and was a bit surprised that the fire burned him. Though, notice, it didn’t burn him badly, even though he carried Chloe out, which certainly slowed him down.

You know how mythology gives an anti-Christ? Maybe Chloe is the anti-Lucifer, who inhibits his powers.

“Plausibly” for TV, maybe. Little women picking up cars to save their kid or whatnot is mostly exaggerated and very rare. A ~180-200lb male cannot pick up a 300lb male with one arm extended and hold them up against a wall, no matter how much adrenaline they have pumping through their system. A 280lb 8% BF powerlifter with a 500lb bench press can’t even do that. (Source: I did powerlifting and while I never reached 500lbs, I knew people that did, and it’s not the same movement, an extended arm extension at that level of strength isn’t going to break even 100lbs. edit to add: most people never make front raises above 50lbs)