Not so much righting wrongs, as punishing the guilty. Which is sort of the whole point of Satan.
Well, he broke up two marriages - one at the altar. And he presumably did something pretty awful to that record producer. We’re not sure what, but apparently, death would have been getting off easy by comparison.
If you take that tack, the whole point is to punish ALL the guilty, after they die. He’s apparently punishing only the people who offend him personally, while they’re alive. Which sounds more like John Wick than Satan.
Two marriages where the wife despised the husband, and the husband had no intention of being monogomous, so again, nothing evil there. When I visited my mom last week, she was watching an old Bewitched where some warlock smitten with Samantha tried to break up her and Durwood. Not THAT is evil.
And the record producer had killed at least one person and attempted to kill two more, so nothing evil there, either.
But I’m still watching, because the writers have a good sense of humor.
Anandiel and Mazikeen have both accused Lucifer of growing a conscience and straying from his old ways. He’s not really the Lord of Evil. He’s more like its steward. He was given that role unwillingly but went along with it mainly out of spite. Maybe the big reveal is that God never expelled him from Heaven; his exile was self-imposed and over the millennia he’s forgotten the reason.
But that’s probably too cosmic for this show for now. I’m content with laughing at Lucifer’s cheekiness and naughty remarks.
I’m enjoying this show quite a bit, I just I wish it wasn’t as much of a detective show.
There seems to be a “non-cop (maybe with super-powers) teamed up with a reluctant attractive female detective” trope developing. It reminds me a bit of Sleepy Hollow, but I tired of Sleepy Hollow quickly because I found the main characters so dull. I like that Lucifer (naturally) has a dark side.
Also it’s cool to see a show set in modern LA, I know every other TV show used to be set there, but it seems more rare now.
How is the female cop glossing over the fact that Lucifer busted the suspect out of jail and, with the help of his female cohort, set up a potentially lethal duel between them? Wouldn’t she try to arrest them? I mean, I think I see a few felonies there – kidnapping, gun possession, attempted murder…
She already tried arresting Lucifer in episode 1 and that didn’t work out too well for her. Besides, I think she’s beginning to realize there really is more to him than she thought (see her confusion about how he appeared to teleport behind her).
Right, because the premise of the show is that Lucifer has quit that job, and is doing his own thing. But he’s not, as you claimed, interested in righting wrongs - he doesn’t want justice, he wants punishment. Because even though he’s resigned as Lord of Hell, he’s still Lucifer.
I didn’t say he was evil, I said he doesn’t have a “heart of gold.” And blowing up people’s lives like that, and enjoying it as much as he does, is not “heart of gold.” That’s “bastard.” Arguably, “magnificent bastard,” but either way, he’s not acting out of altruism or care for other people. He likes fucking over people he thinks deserve to be fucked over.
Well, that I just have to disagree with. Torturing (presumably) people to death (presumably) is actually pretty evil, regardless of what the victim might have done to deserve it.
I just watched the 2nd episode and I’m going to go out on a limb and offer an opinion that certainly runs contrary to prevailing opinion.
I know that after watching the first episode I posted that I thought this was a fine show and had a lot of potential.
But I found the 2nd episode to be so boring that I’ve decided to risk getting flamed and take back my previous remarks and say that I don’t see a very good future for this show.
It just seems to me that this concept is pretty limited in where it can go.
I know this must seem very premature after just watching two episodes. But I’m willing to take the risk and go against the prevailing opinion in this thread.
I agree. I lost interest halfway through the last episode. I agree it’s an interesting concept but it seems pretty limited as to where it can go without potentially turning into something akin to Castle.
But again, he’s not going after mass murderers or child molesters. He’s just going after the people who offend him personally in some way, which is no more than anyone would do if he could get away with it.
And he does go out of his way to help people. He somehow saved the detective’s life. OK, he’s fascinated with her. But he even tried to straighten out that singer in ep 1, when she was next to nothing to him. That’s not evil.
Going with the premise, that guy was doomed to eternal damnation, so what does a head start of a few years matter?
Right. If all he wanted to do was “right wrongs,” there’d be any number of people in LA he could go after. That’s not his motivation. He only acts (in the pilot - haven’t seen the second ep yet) when someone hurts a person he’s taken an interest in.
No, it’s not evil. I’m not saying he’s evil - the whole point of the show (and the comic it’s loosely adapted from) is that the devil isn’t evil, he’s just a convenient scapegoat for both the failings of both God and humanity as a whole, and he’s sick of playing that role.
Except, because hell is empty, there isn’t eternal damnation anymore. Lucifer says that explicitly when the guy gets shot: he’s not going to be punished in the afterlife, because the devil is here on Earth.
Oh, I missed that. I knew the PTB wanted him back, but I didn’t realize EVERYTHING stopped without him, because it makes no sense. It’s like saying if Donald Trump left the country, all his hotels would close down until he returned. If Satan has no minions to help to run hell, I wonder why it took him 6000 years to get tired of the job.
It’s theology. It’s not supposed to make sense. 
But seriously, it’s hell, and he’s the devil. There isn’t a real world analogy for how that should work. Not even one involving Donald Trump. Perhaps without Lucifer there, the various devils just laze about and don’t do any work. Maybe they’re all escaping, too. Or too busy engaged in internecine fighting to see who gets to replace Lucifer to bother torturing people. Or his minions are manifestations of his will, and if he’s not there, they get subsumed back into the primordial matter that constitutes hell. Or maybe Lucifer locked the gates behind him, and still has the key. Or God simply decreed that until Lucifer gets back to work, hell won’t function.
I dont think Hell is empty, Just that there’s no supervisor there anymore.
Maybe the cops could call in the guy who can stop him. What’s his name, Michael McDoesn’texist? He’s still the second most powerful being in creation and hasn’t given up any of his power when he quit his last gig. Barring literal divine intervention, he’s not going anywhere unless he wants to.
I hate to look for logic in this show, but she didn’t actually see him do any of the setup for the armed standoff; she just saw that he was an interested spectator. As for breaking him out, she knows that all he did was ask the female desk sgt to let him out, and she did, so she would get the cop in a lot more trouble than Lucifer if she pressed charges.
One of the funny things about the episode is that it’s implied that when he talked his way past the hot young sgt, she was replaced with an older woman who presumably would be more resistant, but it didn’t help.
The second episode was an improvement. Seeing how resistant the older photographer was to Lucifer’s questioning was a good sign, because Lucifer looked so powerful in that department in the pilot that the crimes would wind up being solved WAY too fast if they didn’t rein that in a little bit. But they’re going to have to figure out something more interesting for the angel to do than fly in once an episode and be a wet blanket. And Lucifer’s sidekick, fetching though she may be, will need to expand her range beyond pouting, seething and grumbling. I believe a nice betraying-the-boss storyline would do nicely. She certainly seems like the type.
I like it, but I liked Brimstone and Constantine. Gave up on Dominion around the second ep. Are there any more I forgot?
Oh, and forget about Miss Hot Tub. I’ll take the shrink, thanks.
From last night (from memory)
Why did you move to LA?
The usual reasons, the weather, the porn, good Mexican food.