I’m not sure that theology is sound. She’s the former star of Hot Tub High School or whatever, so it’s not her purity that makes him vulnerable, it’s her disinterest.
Which means that every straight man and lesbian would have the same power over him, and that’s clearly not the case.
Never thought of that, I like the theory that only the cop can hurt him.
They specifically brought in the fact that she doesn’t believe in him/bible stuff - he said “so you’re an athiest” and she had a reply that made her not quite an athiest but clearly not a believer.
Which I think will play out more as it goes on - she doesn’t buy his schtick, so it doesn’t work on her - this causes him to doubt his powers on some level (as mentioned by the therapist) - which somehow gives her power over him.
Its definitely interesting - and I like the way its being played out -
He had no doubt at all about being bulletproof, until after she shot him. Like I said a week or two ago, there is not much use in trying to find logic in this show, but I’m enjoying it just for entertainment.
Too late to add to my previous post, but your comment about unbelief actually IS theologically sound. There is a short passage in the Gospel of Mark (the first few verses of Chapter 6) about Jesus, who had been traveling around Israel performing miracles and casting out demons, returning home to Nazareth. When he started preaching there, his neighbors became offended, saying (paraphrased) “Where does this guy get off preaching to us? We knew him when he was a snotty-nosed brat, we know his mother and brothers and sisters, what makes him think he’s so special?”
This is a very awkward passage for Christians, because although Mark doesn’t include a birth narrative, Matthew and Luke also have versions of this same story, and they do have the birth stories which Christians conflate into the Christmas pageants we see every year. So somebody has to explain how Jesus was so famous as a newborn that he had Magi traveling from far-off lands to bring him rich gifts, heavenly choirs of angels singing, magic stars parking over his house, and the king’s soldiers killing every baby boy in Bethlehem out of fear of him, and yet the people he grew up with and lived with for 30 years didn’t notice anything special about him.
The point of all this is that Mark says that because of the unbelief, “he could do no mighty work there.” He was essentially like a modern faith healer or medium, unable to perform if the audience is skeptical.
So you have a point about Chloe’s atheism possibly making Lucifer’s powers diminish. The problem, though, is that almost everybody Lucifer meets (in the show) doesn’t know who he is, and therefore they might as well be atheists when it comes to his powers, and yet he can still make them do things, or fling them through a window, or be bulletproof, or drive them insane.
Maybe for Chloe - its the active disbelief as opposed to anything else - she actively opposes him being ‘the devil’ - mocks him even - where as the others may not believe it - but don’t really challenge it.
In terms of fanwanking, I see no need to offer any justification for Chloe’s special status other than “God works in mysterious ways.”
I also had no problem with Patricia Arquette’s atheist character in Stigmata being the chosen vessel for the divine word.
Well, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Everybody is thinking Chloe is the only person who can hurt him, but we don’t know that.
Maybe anybody’s bullets can hurt him now. It’s been a couple weeks since anybody’s shot him, right? And during that time, the black angel indicated that Lucifer had used up all his chances to go back, and hinted dire consequences.
Maybe Dad is withdrawing some of his powers, like Odin did in the first *Thor *movie. Thor could still beat up ten tough guys, and could still be hit by cars and just dust himself off, but he no longer had all his supernatural powers. Maybe Lucifer is still very strong, and can still make a scary face, but he’s no longer bulletproof.
I hope, hope hope Chloe isn’t being set up as the Elaine Belloc expy in this series. because that would be fucking terrible.
I doubt they’re going to get that cosmic. They may have the budget to shut down LA for five days while shooting, but they don’t seem to be heading towards creating a new Earth or anything.
Regardless of who can hurt him, Chloe already has special status by being immune to his charms.
Naah, not the full storyline, I was thinking more just the whole Daughter of Michael/Broodmare for a new race of super-angels angle.
So did anyone watch last night?
Lucifer still seems to have some powers given that he can still do the demon-face at people he dislikes, and he still seems to be able to get someone’s deepest desires, but he isn’t healing. Maze is apparently a super-badass in addition to being a torturer, which annoys me on a personal level (I don’t like stories where it’s “oh, you’re a demon/angel, you’re automatically super fast/strong/smart”. Like, there should be some regular Joes out there also). Interesting to see her chafing against her role with Lucifer, indicating she doesn’t have as much free will as it seemed at first.
Amenadiel weaseling his way into the shrink’s confidence seemed to happy way too easily, but that shrink didn’t seem super ethical or hard to convince anyway.
I watched, and enjoyed it as usual, but I think they need to make some progress with Chloe finding out who and what Lucifer is (and believing it). I’d like to see a little more of Lucifer being a badass–IMO he’s overdoing the charm a bit (and that’s saying something, because I love the character). I did like it when he was calmly rattling off the injuries Maze was causing during the fight.
Maze didn’t bother me–she’s supposed to be a bodyguard, after all, so it doesn’t seem strange that she’s got combat training even if not all angels do.
Yeah, he’s hot and sexy too–I wonder how long it’ll be before she’s boffing him in addition to Lucifer (or at least trying to–I expect Amenadiel wouldn’t go for it, even to get info out of her).
I really enjoyed watching Maze destroy the gangsters!
See, I always got that Maze was the head torturer, and maybe chief bureaucrat. Was she his bodyguard before this episode? Why does an immortal being need a bodyguard anyway?
Amenadiel could always claim to be gay.
If you believe the movie Dogma, angels don’t have genitalia. Is that a generally accepted Christian thing or just something Kevin Smith made up?
The way Lucifer says “detective!” is starting to grate my nerves. Was the detective really pale this week? She looked like a zombie.
Lucifer was much more of a dick & asshole than before. His hitting on the detective is starting to get old, fast.
Also, they are seemingly starting to work in his smoking, guess the bribe payola from Big Tobacco has finally arrived.
Either way, angels in the show’s universe have genitalia, as evidenced by the many romps in the hay the therapist has enjoyed with Lucifer.
I saw the pilot and really enjoyed it. His personality is very much what I would expect from one of God’s best creations run slightly amok. Still using the charms he was gifted with, and probably in some Loki-esque way serving the spirit, if not the letter, of God’s wishes. But I was particularly pleased he uses the name Morningstar. While not exactly hidden knowledge, you don’t often hear the devil referred to as ‘morning star’ anymore. It’s clever, and I like it.