Now THIS vigilanteism I approve of.

Well, contrary to what you may believe he DID attack the girls. Just because someone doesn’t force themselves PHYSICALLY on someone doesn’t mean they aren’t sexually attacked. There are MANY ranges of sexual assault. I have to say that I’m shocked that so many people almost laugh this off as if it were nothing.

LaurAnge, I’m sorry to hear you were subjected to this type of behavior. Through work, I have attended seminars and peer groups dealing with all aspects of sexual crimes. Flashing is a form (certainly not the harshest but one nonetheless) of sexual abuse. Children are the most hunted and preyed upon group of people in the US when it comes to sex crimes, perhaps the next sicko will think twice about forcing his sexuality on another group of minors in the future. Obviously their actions are unlawful, but I can totally understand it. It’s sad that so many people are more worried about the right of the flasher (sexual abuser of children) than the people he has REPEATEDLY (according to the article) chosen to harrass.

And Daisy Cutter, you don’t know the difference between a flasher and a gay? Holy crap. Too bad we can’t get one of each to demonstrate on you to help you out. I doubt that you’d have any doubts after that.

A debate is when two or more parties exchange viewpoints of equal intellectual merit, Daisy Cutter. The words you were looking for are “inane drivel”.

I had a flashback to that one part in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, right after Katie Nolan shot the neighborhood child molestor and then all the other women in the apartment building gather around him and start kicking him and spitting on him.

Daisy Cutter, do not use hate speech. If you continue to do so, your posting privileges will be removed.

Lynn
For the Straight Dope

It’s so freaking typical that Lissener and the rest of you jerks would support this action.

When hordes of marauding pigtailed plaid-wearing confirmation candidates rule the streets what will you say then?

How easily you forget the lessons of the past. Just because today’s gestapo have traded in their jackboots for bobby socks I suppose you’d throw the city gates wide for the oppressor and welcome him.

So today it was a flasher. What will you do tomorrow when they come for you?

I can truthfully say that I have beaten up by a catholic school girl.

Trust me, it ain’t fun.

I wanna be beaten up by a Catholic Schoolgirl :frowning:

d&r

A hundred and fifty Hail Marys and ten Paternosters, I suppose.

So that’s what happened to you Scylla.

How you doin’?

Do we know that the flasher wasn’t also a masochist? Maybe he got off on the beating too. I’m sure no one choses to be a flasher. More likely is that they fall into such actions through other acts of exhibitionism. Exhibitionism is not necessarily non-consensual and many cities have clubs where this ‘perversion’ can be endulged freely. The becoming a flasher is of course wrong, because the act is non consensual. There is an equivalent differnece between a normal sexual relationship and rape, as there is between exhibitionism and flashing.
Saying the flasher is ‘innocent’ because they can’t control what they do is like saying a rapist is ‘inocent’ because they can’t control what they do. It may be true that the person in each case is out of control, but they non the less chose to move from acting consensualy to imposing themselves non-consensually upon others.

Couldn’t they just laugh loudly and make derogatory comments about his teeny-tiny wee-wee? I’d think that would hurt far more…

When I was disgusting snot-nosed little twerp (no not least weak, I mean a young disgusting little snot-nosed twerp,) there were these two girls that lived across the street.

They were fourteen years old or so about the time that I was nine years old, and good Catholic school girls having matriculated from the coed St. Cassians middle school I intended to the all-female Lacordaire Academy.

We secretly called them “the pigfaces.”

Well we were all playing ultimate frisbee in the front yard, and for once the pigfaces were interested in playing with us.

Well, when one of the pigfaces had the frisbee and I was wide open and I yelled at her to throw it to me forgetting that “pigface” was our secret name for these girls (As unkind as this appelation was be it told truthfully that both girls we’re unfortunately porcine visaged.)

I said something like “Here, Pigface! Throw it to me!”

The game suddenly stopped.

Now, I’ve already parenthetically stated that pigface was an apt describer of their faces, but I don’t think you’re really getting the picture. Calling these girls “pigface” was as unmistakeable as calling Cyrano De Bergerac “Big Nose.” As it turns out it was also as ill-advised.

These girls could not help but be aware of their facial resemblance.

“What did you call me?” the Pigface asked.

Being a nine year old boy with my friends around, backing down was not a possibility. If I did, I would be made fun of.

“I said throw me the frisbee, Pigface,” I replied with all the insouciance I could muster "It’s not my fault you have beedy little eyes and big fat pink cheeks, and little tiny ears, and a big round nose with tiny little nostrils. "

“Listen, you little shit, I am not a “pigface” and you better say your sorry for calling me one.”

“If you’re not a pigface,” I said, summoning the unequalled debating skills that would serve me so well in later years on the SDMB, “Than why did you answer when I called you one? How didja know I was talking to you? Huh?”

This got some “oooooohs” from my friends.

“You better take it back and say your sorry,” she said. “Or else.”

“Or else what?” I replied, according to formula.

“Or else I am going to kick your sad little ass.”

“Oh yeah, you and what army?”

“Just me,” She said. At this time I noticed that she was no longer holding the frisbee, and was a lot closer to me. I also noticed that the pigface was a lot bigger than I was and that her sister pigface had cut off my escape route.

“I don’t waste my time fighting girls,” I explained, as if regretting this ethical restriction, “especially not pigfaced ones.”

My friends were just in the middle of another “Ooooooh,” at my wit, when she slapped me hard across the face.

Now, the truth be told I was not a very good kid. I was a bully and a jerk, and I was insecure, and I was the veteran of a lot of fights. I almost always won, usually because I picked fights that I had a good chance of winning.

Somehow the fact that the Pigface was much larger and stronger than I was really didn’t register, and attacked.

The Pigface punched me once hard in the gut, grabbed me, threw me to the ground and then sat on top of me.

I was then given the chance to take back what I had called her or suffer further consequences. I opted not to, anc chose to reiterate my prior argument.

“Get off me, you Pigface!” I yelled.

I got asked again whether I wished to retract my statement and again refused.

I got a handful of grass and dirt rubbed into my face.

“Are you going to take it back now?”

“____ you, Pigface!” I screamed (If nothing else, you have to admire my steadfastness and moral refusal to capitulate to duress.)

The Pigface then loomed her horrible face over mine. She hawked from deep in her throat, parted her lips and a long-trail of goobery saliva began to extrude.

“NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!” I screamed.

At the last second she sucked it back in.

“Last chance,” she said.

“Get off of me, you big fat Pigface!” I yelled.

She let the goober fall right into my eyes. I went from being totally enraged to totally humiliated.

I started to cry like the little boy I was.
I cried loud and hard with shame, and finally with disdain they let me up.

None of my friends would meet my eyes, and they were kind of smirking at what had happened to me. I had after all, deserved it.

Crying my head off I ran home and told my mother what had happened.

Running into her open arms she held me and asked what happened.

“The Pigfaces held me down and spat on my face!” I told her, outraged.

“Who are the pigfaces?” asked Mom.

“The girls across the street.”

“Why did they do that?” I knew that tone of voice. My Mom was going to go marching over and let them have it.

“Because they are mean. They did it to make fun of me.”

So my Mom comforted me for a while and then went across the street to kick some pigface ass.

It was at this precise moment that it occured to me that I may have miscalculated in letting my mother confront them.

Indeed I had.

My mother came back home.

“Did you call that girl a Pigface?” She asked.

I was sure that there was some answer that would validate my position. I searched for it by shifting my eyes back and forth and looking sheepish.

“You got what you deserved. And, you owe that poor girl an apology. You go right out there, knock on her door and apologize for what you said.”

“NOOOOOO!” I cried and screamed. “She spat on me. She beat me up. I’ll never do it. I won’t.”

“Now.” My mother said.

“You can’t make me!” I exclaimed.

About two minutes later I knocked on her door. She opened it, and I apologized in the way that only a nine year old who is making it clear he didn’t mean it can.

“I’m sorry I called you a Pigface,”

“I’m sorry I spat you.” said the Pigface.
It should have ended there but it didn’t.

I got teased for my humiliation by the pigface.

Lacordaire Academy was unavoidably on the way home from my school, St. Cassians.

One day, while walking home with my friends, I saw the Pigface exiting the school.

“Hey Pigface” I yelled. “Yeah you, Pigface. Bite me pigface!” And then I ran away.

I was careful for the next few days, but nothing happened. Unfortunately, at nine years old my tactical attention span wasn’t as long as it should have been.

The Pigface and her friends caught me on the way home and extracted retribution in gang form. I was slapped and spit at and ridiculed and called names until I was made to cry.

I suffered all that one can suffer at the hands of angry Catholic School girls.

This time I didn’t tell Mom.

The rest of the year passed in an uneasy detente.

It should have ended there, but it didn’t.

Fast forward to Christmas 1987 or so. I am home from College for the Holiday and at a party at a friend’s house, drinking beer and whatnot.

I hook up with this older Irish Lass by the name of Megan. She had huge freckles and dark sloe soulful eyes, and this cute little upturned nose.

That night the Pigface and I swapped spit again.

“The horror of Pigface”
:smiley:

Ahhhh, everybody loves a good ending. 1987. You can just hear the rock ballad in the background, can’t you?

“What did you see when the accused opened his pants?”
“Well, it looked like a penis, only smaller.”

Well, first, homosexual conduct is frequently illegal.

And second, just what about those guys that were holding the flasher while the girls kicked and beat the shit out of him? I mean face it, those girls couldn’t/wouldn’t have done anything except for those guys catching and holding the guy. Those guys probably encouraged that conduct for their own sexual titilation.

What a sad commentary on our culture that not only were these girls themselves forced to mete out the punishment for such an assault on their modesty, but that there would even the smallest hint in anyone’s mind that they did the right thing given the situation. Had the girls not subjected this ruffian to a beating, they would have likely been “flashed” again at some future time; or perhaps some other young unsuspecting girl would have had the pleasure of an anatomy lesson whilst walking to school.

I am sure most of us agree that physical violence is usually counterproductive, but what other options did the girls have? Should they have just stood there and looked at the man’s dingy, allowing themselves to be further victimized?

I don’t think the late Daisy Cutter has anything to worry about from “ugly women”. From what I’ve seen of him, the ones he’d consider ugly have better taste!

Scylla, great story!

CJ

I got flashed on the subway, when I was a teenager. Not only flashed, but assaulted. It was a crowded car, and I was standing down in the stairwell. As it pulled into a station, I felt something prodding my back. When I turned to look, there was this ugly old guy above me, with an erect penis sticking out ofhis coat as he pretended he didn’t know what he was doing.

I got off immediately and almost threw up. I carried that sick feeling with me for weeks afterward. No, I didn’t say or do anything to the scumball – I was too shocked and mortified. Which I daresay is the normal reaction of a child or teenage girl experiencing this. If it had been only one schoolgirl in the OP’s incident, I doubt she’d have pursued the flasher – the pack mentality gives people courage.

As to the girls’ beating of the creep – mixed feelings. The fellow victim in me rejoices that one of these sickos has received retribution. The law-abiding citizen in me sees danger to our society from vigilante justice. Color me wishy-washy on this issue.

But thanks, viking and matt_mcl, for out-loud guffaws. And Scylla, your story is a hoot.

Let’s see… a man flashes his winger-wanger and ends up getting kicked around by his intended victims. Good. He deserved it. Scylla calls a girl “pigface” and ends up getting the snot beat out of him. Or, rather ONTO him. Good. He deserved it.

Moral of the story: Be nice or risk getting your butt kicked.

Alternate moral: Don’t be messing with catholic school girls.