Is that tune the same as Danielle’s music box? It would make sense that it would be, but I don’t have the old episodes taped so I can’t check.
The Isaiah connection:
My interpretation: This passage says that a child will change things so that people who would normally seek to destroy one another will instead learn to exist in harmony. I think maybe it’s Walt who will make the discovery that the monster is not actually a monster, but something that can help them.
Michael and Hurley seemed to think it was obvious that Halliburton cases are hard to open. Is that common knowledge? I know about the brand, but not that they have locks that are difficult to pick.
Was anyone else reminded of the old Samsonite commercials when Sawyer was banging the case on the rocks? 
So I wasn’t the only one who thought of the Oracle…
Hey, did anyone hear mention that the tough-to-crack suitcase was made by Halliburton? Did I hear that correctly? Is there such a corpor–I mean, company that makes suitcases?
Poor Charlie! If it weren’t for Rose, he’d feel totally alone, with Locke off in the jungle doing who knows what, Claire missing/dead/lost and gone forever, Kate spiraling down and Jack trying to deal with the others.
Why doesn’t Sun (hope I got that right–I know the actress’s name is Yunjin Kim) want other people to know she can speak and understand English? Didn’t she speak it to Jack at some point?
When Kate was watching Sawyer carrying the case, I thought she was checking out his bod. Then I realized that I was the one checking it out!
Hey, NCB, did you have a “Trip flash” when Sawyer said “sonofabitch” ?
I did.
No, she spoke to Michael. I’m thinking she doesn’t want her husband to know she speaks English.
Me: “Finally, you stupid man!” to Jack now that he isn’t so willing to just trust.
I totally forgot Claire was missing, so that caught me off guard. I would not let my boyfriend kick my ass just to make a heist look more believeable, but maybe that’s just me. I think they probably could’ve pulled it off without all that. Call me crazy. As soon as Shannon said, “The computer one with fish” I was all, “NEMO!!!” but even knowing that, I didn’t recognize the tune right away.
Sayid is sexy. I hope he gets some. 
Some episodes pose questions, and some answer questions. This one posed more questions than it answered. Strange that there was so little (none!) activity to find Claire. This epsiode simply took us off in a new direction. Personal relationships were the theme. Kate warming up to Sawyer, Jack realizing that Kate is hiding too much, Rose reappears to comfort Charlie, Sayid and Shannon make a connection.
I suspect that next week’s episode will provide more answers:
Shannon gets “swept up” by… what? Locke gets drawn into the mysteries of the mteal hatches… so much that he knocks out Boone to keep their secrets.
Yes, she can speak and understand English perfectly well. She learned it in secret preparing to run away from her husband, who is involved in organized crime (or something like it) with her father. She was supposed to sneak away from the airport the day of their flight but couldn’t get up the nerve. She can’t let on that she knows English because she is afraid of her husband…
…hard to keep all the back stories straight, isn’t it?
As for Sayid not knowing French…Iraq was an English colony so I’m guessing the traditional foreign language taught there has been English since the colonial days.
And yes, Hurley was shown on the plane at one point…but we haven’t seen a back story for him yet. It is a little odd that we haven’t been shown it yet…
I can’t believe we didn’t notice this before, but I read it in another forum:
safety deposit box 815 and flight 815!
Not only that, but the plane was inside… <stoner> this show is so deep man.</stoner voice>
I don’t think I’d look for too many answers in the song “Beyond the Sea” - it has the same melody as “La Mer,” but the lyrics are very different. The original is about the sea and nothing more; when Jack Lawrence adapted it for an American audience, he turned it into a love story. You can learn a little more about it here. Since the writers used the French lyrics only, I don’t know that the English ones would necessarily hold any clues.
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks Kate killed her father. FWIW, I don’t think she flat-out murdered him. Maybe it was a mercy killing like Wile E suggested, maybe it was accidental, or maybe it had something to do with however Kate learned to shoot like that. For someone who has claimed repeatedly to know nothing about guns, she sure seemed to know what she was doing when she wiped out those bank robbers. Were any of them killed, or were they all non-lethal shots?
Dewey and viva, I was :rolleyes: 'ing that the writers chose the name “Halliburton” for the brand of suitcase, thinking they just used a recognizable name and were looking for a cheap joke. I guess 5 second with Google would have shown me there really is a brand name of cases called, well, “Zero Halliburton”.
But why the Angel reference in the thread title? That was one I had to Google.
What about La Mer by Claude Debussy? OMG, he’s French too, like Rousseau!
From what I could tell, Kate only wounded her three confederates, partly to stop the “leader” from shooting the bank manager, but also to get control of the situation so that she could do what she really came to, get the safe deposit box open. Either she is a very good shot, or she didn’t care whether they died, and was just lucky.
I doubt she was lucky. Kate has never been entirely clear on what she was doing before the crash. We know she was arrested but not why she was arrested. We know she has tracking skills which she has attributed to her father being an army ranger, but she could have lied about that.
She can use a gun very effectively, incapacitating three people quickly. She has killed someone; a person she loved but likely had to kill due to circumstances we don’t know yet. She manipulated three people into attempting a bank robbery just so she could get into a safety deposit box and retrieve an item important to the person she loved/killed.
And of course we get another lovely coincedence of the number of the safety deposit box containing a plane and the flight number being the same: 815.
Did Kate say that the marshall had to check the box?
If so, it seems odd that it would have wound up under that seat, but maybe that was just a way for her to find it without just flat-out stumbling across it in the jungle.
Man, I wish they would kill the hobbit already. Is he not the most annoying sissy punk on that island. The black woman shoulda gone upside his head with that plank.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Bite your tongue, Trunk! I love me some hobbit sissy-boy!
Kind of a weak episode to me.
There’s a lot more to Kate though, and I’m not convinced yet she’s bad. I’m thinking besides daddy teaching her stuff, she’s ex-military and/or law enforcement. I wouldn’t even be surprised to find she’s some sort of rogue US Marshall herself, due to whatever circumstances resulted in her killing “the man she loved.” She’s shown she has no qualms about shooting a man who’s about to do something bad, so maybe this man whom she loved was about to do something bad and she had no choice.
Jack’s angry but slightly hurt snarl face is getting old. It’s not a bad look for him, but I’d like to see if he can manage a little more.
Yah! Boone is gay. His crazy eyebrows just kill me. I’ve never seen eyebrows that could move around so much. Shannon & Boone should have interesting backstories.
Nice to see Rose again. I’m kinda hoping she’s right about her husband.
Wouldn’t it be neat if they found the survivors from the tail section at the end of the season. Then in season 2 we could go back to the crash and follow that group up to the meeting and season 3 could be about the whole bunch of them.
OK, that’s just me.
For those complaining that this show raises questions and doesn’t answer them, I’d like to point out that by the count in the Official “Lost” Questions Thread, we’ve answered 9 questions out of 50. That’s almost 20%. And I’m sure some of those questions will turn out to be irrelevant (we’ve probably gotten a little carried away).
I don’t think Kate’s “man I loved” is her father. I mean, I love my mother, but I wouldn’t describe her as “the woman I love”. That has more romantic connotations than familial.
I understand dramatic tension and all, but too many of the characters do things that just make their own lives far too difficult.
Jack: What’s in the case, Kate?
Kate: Some travelling money, documents, and four nine millimeters with ammo. Also, one personal effect of mine that’s very important.
Jack: And what would that be?
Kate: It’s a small toy plane, and it belonged to someone very important to me.
End of conversation.
There must be a way to write it in such a way as to get the pertinent information out there without making the characters look like complete idiots.
I forgot to add in my post:
Is it just me, or did anyone else think, during the scene when Jack was asking Sun “what does that plant do” and she pointed to her temples, “oh, it makes you telepathic!”
Maybe I just watch too much sci-fi.
Gotta agree there. I don’t think she offed daddy. I love my dad, but he will never be called the “man I loved.” I’ll be very surprised if it isn’t a romantic interest.
Any ideas on why the “man [she] loved” would find importance in a toy airplane? Or why Kate would choose that as a keepsake of this important person? That’s pretty bizarre. Of course, practically everything on this show falls under the category of “pretty bizarre.”
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