Ok, so I saw your boobs twice...

I believe he has diagnosed his own problem.

And, JFMOI (Just for my own information), what constitues a ‘fat chick’? Obese? Double chin? Size 20 plus? A certain weight? Over 150? Over 200? Women come in all different shapes and sizes. I know a girl who is over 175 and wears a size 8. She is really, really tall and has a lot of muscle mass (muscle is heavier than fat). I know a girl who weighs 150 and is 4’11". She is almost round. I weigh about 170 and wear a 12, but have a small waist with too much T & A. Which one of us is the fat chick?

Who said he was going to ‘bag a fat girl’? I suggested he start looking past the outside appearance of a person (get over the fat thing) and work on improving himself (take a class, get out more, be around people, learn how to interact with them, and make friends outside of his current circle of influence), and you take that to mean if he was willing to he could ‘bag a fat girl’?

Or are you refering to something someone else said?

Oh, and one more thing. This attitude of ‘I’m not responsible for who I’m attracted to. Its nature - its ingrained.’ stuff is crap. You don’t have to have instant, across-the-room sparks with a person to have a deep meaningful relationship with that person. You can meet someone and not be sexually attracted to them in the beginning and have a deeper relationship form out of that initial friendship. In fact, I know of many long term, successful relationships that started as friendship and grew into something more.

He’s 24 and still not getting any. This alone would be fine except that it seems to really, really bother him. Abstinence as a choice is a beautiful thing (for other people, I’d go insane)… but “blowing off steam” of this magnitude seems to be the sign of a bigger problem.

And really… if we offer our observations and advice, most people probably just wouldnt reply at all.

Because what else can you say to something like this?
“Oh, that’s horrible sweetie… well I hope that someday a well-adjusted Kate Moss look-alike falls into your life and fucks your doughy little brains out. Until then, please continue to whine and pule because that’s seriously the Kate Moss look-alike mating call, didntchaknow?!”

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I was referring to this quote from the OP:

Okay, you’ve got me there. I have grown quite attracted to people after getting to know them, even when they probably weren’t people I would cross a crowded room to introduce myself to. And come to think of it, I have been the girl that someone grew to love after time on at least one occasion. What you’re saying has alot of merit and I don’t mean to disregard it. But maybe he just can’t see past the fat thing. I can’t see past bad hygeine. I don’t care how much I care about someone, the idea of being physical with someone who smells bad is a complete turn off. If it’s something he can get past, great. It’s worth it to try… because cutting out that much of the population for what is really a rather arbitrary reason is an unecessarily cruel thing to do to yourself when you’re already painfully lonely.

The first step is getting an injunction requiring all breasts have ramp access and braille control buttons.

Some of then might already have the latter.

Man, you guys are WAY behind. Breast accessibility is available all over the world and is generally provided to you by the Universal Coalition of Women Lobbying for Male Wallet Accessibility.

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Not having sex by 24 is not pathetically sad. I, for one, had not found somebody I WANTED to have sex with until I was nearly 26.

Unless it’s all right for women to wait, but guys MUST fuck everything even vaguely female and willing in sight as soon as they hit puberty or else they are pathetic? Can you say double standard? Women have sex drives, too, you moron.

I was wondering if all that candy I’ve been eating recently had made me rather more angered by pointless ad hominem attacks than other people might be.

Upon reflection, I guess it’s just that the OP was being an ass.

Rexdart, here’s a thought: treat yourself well and maybe someone else will want to. Iunno, it worked for me. But then again, I found a “fat chick”, so maybe you should just spare the female population of the earth and become a master onanist.

You’re welcome, yosemitebabe.

Apparently, people are still not getting your points, so I’ll make one more stab at it, keeping it as simple as possible:

[ul]
[li]Fat = Pathetic leavings of the non losers = offensive to many.[/li]I am attracted to (whatever) = not offensive to many.

[li]Attraction is a much more complicated thing than many people realize. Don’t be so quick to dismiss, and you might be surprised who turns you on.[/li][/ul]

This only proves that legislation is routinely outpaced by social change.

White Lightening said

Thank you, White Lightening, for realizing what blowing off a little steam is all about!

As for the rest of you, for fuck’s sake, what the hell is with THIS pile on? Leave the kid alone, let him vent, let him move on without all the self righteous bitching at him! When the FUCK did you all become this judgemental? Some goddamn “community” everyone is acting like. I’m disappointed in all of you. And y’all might want to try a search and see what stuff YOU may have posted in the past that wasn’t necessarily politically correct, but hey - did we all rip you the fuck to shreds over it? Doubtful.

Lay off the kid. We (and I now use that term loosely) are about fighting ignorance, right? Not acting ignorant?

There have been some polite and helpful suggestions for Rexdart’s problem in this thread. Several of us (a few who live right next door) have tried to give him ideas to help him change a situation he obviously isn’t happy with.

And yes, when someone says something in the pit that’s discriminatory or mean about a group of people, most of the time they are ripped to shreds over it.

Allow me to come back in and clarify some things. This will be long, but should address all the issues people brought up.

First of all, I really needed to let off some steam last night. I generally manage to go through the week without encountering anything that painfully reminds me of my failures, the boob incident just threw me into a bit of a tailspin last night by shoving my ineptitude in my face, as it were. Thanks to the people who brought up positive ideas, but thanks also to the people who pointed out that there’s no magic quick fix, and thanks also to those who just let me vent my frustrations here.

now, Re: fat people

I have some personal experience with fat girls. In the past, I’ve done quite the opposite of writing them off. The girl I pursued most recently was overweight, but I wasn’t concerned with that because she was so far the only 20 year old girl I’d ever met who enjoyed discussing serious literature, knew some history and philosophy and politics, and was basically good for the type of engaging conversation I prefer to indulge in. Other girls I’ve met surely could discuss those things, but often tend to prefer having more casual discussions. I figured if a girl was actually seeking me out to have enjoyable conversations, that maybe I’d try for something more than just friendship. Well, she turned me down with a series of lines that is better suited to a TV sitcom (i.e. “it’s not you, it’s me” and “i’m just not ready for that type of relationship”). When I prodded further it became clear that she was still clinging to the hope of being with one of my fraternity brothers (service fraternity, not social), even though he had told me just the prior night and anyone else who would listen that he had no interest in her that way. So I actually actively pursued a relationship with an overweight girl last year for reasons other than asthetic beauty.

However, in general I do prefer smaller girls. but I still find that I would just prefer holding a girl in my arms and actually having that sense of being the “big tough guy.” That’s not entirely a weight thing, because height is the first thing I look at, but there it is.

BTW, for those who’ve apparently missed some of the “fat” threads over the last year, I myself am overweight, I most emphatically don’t hate fat people, and I quite understand what it’s like to be fat with all of it’s derivative consequences and social impact. I merely don’t find large people physically attractive, the fact that I myself am larger doesn’t change that. As I recounted earlier, I did indeed endeavor to look past that with a girl I liked, so I’m not being callously judgmental about it.

Re: “fat or psycho” remark

Suppose upon graduation I go into the public defender’s system. I hope that my first case is not a murderer or an armed robber, those would be tough cases to draw. So, have I just equated murder with armed robbery? Only in the sense that they both are cases I don’t want to have to defend when I have little experience. Between the two, I would still far prefer to defend the armed robber as opposed to defending the murderer.

I would not want to end up with a girl I didn’t find attractive, nor would I want to end up with a pyscho girl. Am I necessarily saying that those are exactly equal? No. In fact, if you look at the whole context of my post, you’ll see I was pointing out my fear of being exploited by some manipulative woman because my lack of experience would make me naive and my low self-esteem would make me feel lucky to have anybody at all and thus I’d be controllable. So sorry if you read my remark to mean “fat=psycho”, I wasn’t attempting to declare them ultimately equal.

Re: the boob incident itself

This girl has been dating one of my old service fraternity brothers (Kappa Kappa Psi, national band service fraternity, I was a marching band guy) for about 3 years now. He was right there, and quite clearly didn’t care, in fact he encouraged her to show them. Possible reasons she showed me her boobs…

A.) She admitted she’d been drinking since 4pm.
B.) She and her boyfriend are into the swinger’s scene and are generally pretty sexually open. (They’re into the “responsible adult open relationship” sort of swingers scene, the one with interviews to join a mailing list and all that.) They left the party at 2:30am to go to a strip club together, at her insistence. So she was just a fun-lovin’ flasher.
C.) She just really wanted those strands of beads we had hanging around at this party.

So, I wasn’t passing up an opportunity with the boob incident. Rather it just served to remind me that my friend has an exciting sexual relationship with a fun and pleasant young girl, whereas I have nothing.

Re: suggestion of getting involved with something meaningful

I have lost a little weight this semester, but I’m still a good 30 pounds or so above weight for the Navy. I have been interested for some time now in the JAG office as a career option, either Navy or Army, and I think that would satisfy me to have a job that meant something. There’s still the matter of making weight though.

I think that realizing and reaffirming to myself the common sense knowledge that my friends won’t be around forever like we are now, that things and people will change in the coming years, has made me realize that I have clung too long to this one place. Not a great or insightful observation, but nonetheless one that I had been ignoring. I could stay in Columbia forever, but all the people I’ve enjoyed spending time with these past 7 years here aren’t going to keep themselves in place just for my continuted amusement. Tars went off to California, NPavelka went back to STL, and slowly but surely all my pals will move away or start families. I’m no longer afraid of going out into the world to find something new.

But the light of day ultimately makes me no more optimistic than I was last night, for failure begets failure as many have pointed out. I feel like the person in Aimee Mann’s song “Momentum”, realizing that I want to change things about my life but having a tough time getting over the hump and actually doing something about it, as she sings “condemning the future to death so it can match the past.”

Anyways, sorry about the length, but there it all is.

I’m going to defend Rex and all you pileon-ers need to grow up. so he doesn’t find fat women in general physically attractive. big freaking deal. You are treating him like he is the sole reason women have weight issues in the world today. and it is disgusting. based on many of your comments here, i find many of you not attaractive n the least, sight unseen (yes, i know, big whoop, but it ties in to my point, so i’m keeping it)

No…see, the thing is, Rex has a rich history of expressing his dislike and “issues” of fatness on this board. Many of us know this. I am not trying to say he is disingenious in his last post about pursuing a fat girl, only that he has a really sucky way of expressing his lack of attraction to fat woman. And he’s got a rich history of it too. Someone else linked to some examples of this.

I am not without sympathy to his plight (really) and I did offer some information about a friend of mine who was a “late bloomer” and is in a very happy relationship. (And she’s not even fat! Fancy that! :wink: ) But I don’t intend to let him use terms like “fatass” without calling him on it.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he didn’t have to point out his lack of attraction to fat chicks in order to get his point across in the OP. And yet he seemed to make a point of bringing up the “fatass” chicks, not once, but twice.

  1. Collect underpants.
  2. ?
  3. Make money.
  4. Buy a Russian bride. They’re hot!

Okay, how about some positive constructive feedback?

First, it’s up to you to change you life. The relationship fairy isn’t going to come along and suddenly change the way people see you. You’re going to have to work for it.

To that end:

  1. If you have a female friend (perhaps the one who flashed the golden bozos at you), ASK her what’s wrong with you. Tell her to be brutally honest, and explain that you are trying to go on a mission of self-improvement and really need to know. Don’t let her blow sunshine up your ass. It’s probably going to sting like a bitch, but it’s valuable information.

  2. Implement a program of self-improvement based on this information. If you have halitosis, start flossing and gargling. Get your teeth fixed. If you’ve got zits, get a prescription for zit-killing medicine. We already know you’re overweight - drop it. Don’t think about dropping it. Don’t plan to drop it. After you read this message, tell yourself that you just inhaled your last ding-dong or Caramilk bar. There’s always a good excuse to delay starting on your program of self improvement until next week.

  3. Broaden your horizons. Sitting on the Straight Dope may be fun, but it’s a hell of way to meet women. Especially if you make it known that you don’t like fat chicks, apparently.

  4. Work on your social skills. Take some dance lessons. Buy some new clothes once you drop the weight.

  5. Get yourself into a state you’re happy to be in, and then be satisfied with that. Be the best Rexdart you can possibly be. And man, was that a Dr. Phil moment, or what?

  6. Relax. You’re only 24. You’ve still got plenty of time to find a mate, settle down, and pop out tiny Rexdarts like watermelon seeds (well, SHE won’t think it was easy…).

  7. Are you still here? You’re supposed to be off improving yourself. Now git.

[minor quibble]…for health purposes of course. Personally I think being teddy bear-style around the middle is a plus. Yum.

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“Hey man. I hear you. Sometimes it seems like I’ll never get laid either. Those dry spells can be tough. Some people are late bloomers. You’ll come into your own eventually. Don’t give up. Try to stay positive. I feel your pain. Here’s some constructive advice.”

Any of the above. I understand your frustration, though, about the fat thing. RexDart certainly put his foot in his mouth (and for the last time, it wasn’t because he doesn’t like “fat girls.”), although he’s taken steps I think to dig out of that hole. At any rate, I’m just saying there’s a tendency around here (I’ve been on both sides of it in the past, I think) to jump in with fists flying on OP’s like these. I see posts like these as being rants just like any other (driving rants, coworker rants, neighbor rants etc.). Maybe you’re right and RexDart does have more serious issues. Some of you seem to know him better than I do. I’m just saying, give a guy the benefit of the doubt, eh?

RexDart, I appreciate your clarification.
You may want to listen to Sam Stone, he’s got some pretty good advice for you if you’re unhappy with who you are right now. (Although the fact that he seems convinced that you’re unable to drop the last 30lbs because you’re stuffing your face with Ding Dongs and Caramilks is a bit insulting.)

Bah. Do what you can and accept yourself for it. Not being attractive to heavier people but being overweight yourself is a bad place to be, IMO. It’s gotta be difficult to find yourself physically unattractive.

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