Is this really just all about posturing and performing for the in-group here?
Come on, folks. Imagine the posters in question calling you all stupid losers. Can you imagine yourselves caring? Does their opinion of you mean a lot to you? If not, why would you imagine they’d care any more about you saying that of them? Would the fact that they were reduced to calling you all pathetic losers not speak volumes about how their actual arguments could not stand on their own?
I, like the vast majority of people, don’t think that feminism as a movement is misguided or evil, and I, like the vast majority of people, can point to a whole gigantic passel of hard work and activism, both historical and contemporary, done by feminists in the name of feminism which made the world an unquestioningly better place. I guess I’m just not threatened by people who doubt this.
Like, if someone started posting threads wanting to know if Jews really were deceptive and greedy and all out to cheat Gentiles out of their hard-earned shekels, and kept bringing up, e.g., Bernie Madoff, then I might start with a point about the historical anti-Semitic stereotypes, but I could also draw on demographic data about charity, crime rates, and so forth. And if I were talking to someone who kept drawing on a pool of well-known Jewish criminals and fraudsters and ignored greater demographic trends, then I’d probably stop responding to them. But what I wouldn’t do is accuse them of being ignorant, inbred hillbilly Klansmen, because there is no universe in which that would help anyone.
You know that saying “The opprobrium of assholes is a badge of honor.”? Do you all really think you’re never the asshole who so honors people?
Not even close to the first time. He is doing a splendid job of turning this into the Jack of Words show, though, isn’t he?
I confess to a passing curiosity about why he feels that dismissiveness towards another’s position is made more respectable and valid when accompanied by an accusation of “professional victimhood” than when accompanied by one of “neckbearded parental basement-dwelling.”
I’ve seen them switch before, but never so aggressively sought.
(I’m more interested in how stating the obvious, that the rights of women should be recognized to the same degree as those of men, is “professional victimhood”, but calling all women hyper-monogamist sluts because one cannot get a date is not, but I think that’s OT.)
Excuse me, your post isn’t particularly well-worded, but are you really suggesting that being a feminist developed your sense of empathy, or that having such a well-developed sense of empathy led you to feminism? Either way, it’s tosh. I can’t imagine anyone with even a modicum of actual empathy typing your words. I think you meant to say “As a feminist I have a pretty well-developed tendency to invent childish slurs about anyone who challenges the ideology I’m too stupid to question for myself”.
Well I had no plans to leave - as much as some of you might like to think your juvenile insults are wounding, I’m just finding it an amusing pastime.
The facts are easily checked (should you care for facts at all): I was introduced into this thread by another poster. Since then I’ve just been enjoying the to and fro of unrestricted exchange. It’s useful, in its way, by identifying those who either have no credible intellect, no noticeable empathy or a fully-fledged aversion to accuracy.
I’m currently particularly interested in who you think said ‘all women are hyper-monogamist sluts’, with an enduring interest in why a movement that’s apparently so benign needs supporters who make up shit like that. Go find something I did say, and address me, because pathetic games like that do you no good at all.
A thing I did say (and repeated): The rights of people should be recognised equally, regardless of gender. That’s what makes me an egalitarian. Saying the rights of one gender should be respected to the same degree as the other, but not vice versa, is what makes you a feminist. I’m not sure what made you a fool.
Almost missed this. I’m dismissive of a movement that evidentially promotes professional victimhood (check the incomes of those patreon feminists who manufacture ‘death threats’ and ignore the advice of police and other professionals experienced in dealing with real threats in favour of publicising their fictional trolling to keep the money coming in, or the outright deceit of salaried women’s refuge spokespersons who are afraid that a limited pool of resources might have to be shared (equally!), or those academics who need to protect their privilege).
On the other hand, allegations of being neck-bearded, or basement-dwelling, even of misogyny and (ludicrously and snidely) anti-semitism, are entirely unevidenced and in my case entirely untrue. They’re just made up, and delivered by people with an apparently sincere belief that anything they do invent is by that token true. So solid is this belief that they come in here expecting their petty insults to have an actual impact, and pat each other on the back, certain that I will run away crying.
This inability to distinguish between ‘real’ things and ‘things I’ve made up and want to believe’ is the mark of the modern feminist. Look at all those recent rape hoaxes - ideologues who sincerely believe that fabricating an entirely fictitious incident is helpful in any way.
If you have continued difficulty in comprehending why evidenced positions are utterly different from unevidenced insults, do please ask - I’m happy to help those who sincerely wish to improve their ability to think.
“Well I had no plans to leave - as much as some of you might like to think your juvenile insults are wounding, I’m just finding it an amusing pastime.”
Heavens, please don’t leave, Jack of Septendecillion Words. Apoplectic and self-aggrandizing young men are such a rarity on the internet. Virtual dodo birds, as it were.
p.s. Just so you know, juvenile insults are the whole point of the Pit. Feel free to let yourself go.
It’s a little bijou place called “the UK”, you probably wouldn’t have heard of it…
You know how some people just are a stereotype? I read JoW and every terrible Aspie stereotype I’ve ever encountered just jumps to the fore, unbidden. And i don’t think that’s a coincidence - smart money says he’s a burner sock.
Strategic move by the puppet master keeping things ticking over in the haiku thread for so long, kills two birds with one stone - keeps the sock viable, and allows them to post incredibly shitty ‘haiku’ without embarrassment to their real account.
I wouldn’t try and guess who’s sock, but the whole ‘What have I got? Aspergers!’/I’m a published poet!/I have a BSc hons!/lots of people lick me!/I just came in from a meeting with my producers, chaps! schtick is too good to be true, isn’t it? It’s like some kind of a nonny fairytale.
His every post is an epic, it seems. Wordy enough, at any rate.
As for haiku, I’d expect a published poet! to do more than rattle off a lacklustre 5/7/5. His words don’t cut, but then, dull things aren’t know for being able to…
Haiku are really fucking hard. I have a few friends who are expert in them (well, as expert as you can get in English. It’s really not a form that translates well. I do have one friend who writes them in Japanese, being all Japanese and such) and the sheer skill and thought and brilliance behind good haiku blows most forms out of the water.
All that to say most published poets also write crap haiku. (For the record, I’m not really a fan of haiku.)
