Also, since everyone seemed to be on board with returning to default kicker scoring, and people objected to the idea of getting rid of kickers entirely, I think for this year we’ll just re-adjust to default kicker scoring. Does anyone object to that? If so, we can have formal votes about what to do, but that seemed to be a middle of the road solution.
Just as a note, unless I did my math wrong, I’m not picking in the fourth round. I cleared an extra spot to add Gurley.
What is default kicker scoring, and how is it different compared to what we’ve been using?
Yep, my bad. Next time we update it we need to remember that.
I think the work around is a little more complicated than it seems because, in the NFL, players don’t always go on I.R. right away. And since you can’t go on Yahoo’s I.R. unless they are on the NFL I.R., the timing gets wonky and ripe for uncertainty or abuse. If someone is hurt and on PUP, does that count as IR? If you draft someone on IR (or on PUP), where does the “extra” pick come from? At the end of the draft? Because we already got rid of the supplemental draft for exactly this reason. Does Andrew Luck count as being on IR? What if someone gets hurt but doesn’t go on I.R. right away, can you “gamble” on them being added and say you want to call dibs on them going to your I.R. slot, free up a draft pick… and then what? What if they got better?
It’s just not a good system, in my eyes.
You were picking in the 4th round, but that pick has to go to Dale to balance out the trade’s roster slots. But, you’re correct otherwise, and thanks for the catch.
Edit: Another really important note about your Gurley trade: Future trades are a locked-in commitment. So, you’re moving two picks next season (1st and 3rd), which means you are now absolutely required to cut at least 3 players next season (more if you end the season with someone on I.R. and have more than 25 players). There’s always been a sort of verbal understanding that if you trade a future pick, and don’t end up having that pick, the other team gets the next best pick. Just something to remember going into next season.
Alright, I hate to crack the whip, but Dale has been on the clock since 10:30 last night (pacific). He chimed in at 11:30 this morning to say he would make the pick soon, but he’s been on a couple times then (I sent him a PM) without a pick. I’m gonna say 2 more hours, unless someone steps in and says they’re close to completing a big trade with dale or something.
So the first part of this says Dale gets an extra pick this year because he’s one slot light after the trade. I get that.
I don’t really think I understand the second part of this though…why would I “[not] end up having that pick”?
That’s strange. I thought we added a point to every successful kick (1 more than yahoo standard scoring), but actually looking at our scoring we do not. It’s just the standard yahoo scoring for field goals made. The difference is that we have a penalty for misses. -3 for 0-19, -2 for 20-29, -1 for 30-39, and -2 for a missed PAT. I was thinking of the all-pro league, I think, where I added some score to longer kicks.
So, hmm, do we want to return the scoring to default and get rid of the penalties, or keep the penalties and just reduce a missed PAT to -1 instead of -2 because of the change in PAT distance?
If you traded away your 1st and 3rd next season, but then next year you decided not to cut anyone, there wouldn’t be any picks to give to dale to satisfy the swap. Say, you only cut two players. You wouldn’t have a 3rd to send to dale, so he would get your 2nd round pick in that case. Best that you just consider it mandatory to cut 3 players next offseason.
Another note, dale has to send two picks back to you so that the trade is even, so it’s something dale needs to think about as well. He could end up losing a ton of value next season if he doesn’t cut enough players.
If it sounds confusing, it is. These types of trades have never been “1 asset this year for multiple assets next year” as far as I remember in this league’s history. So this uncharted waters, in a way. Part of the reason the rule about trades having to be balanced is to avoid “gotchas” in future years.
I vote for just changing the missed PAT penalty to -1, certainly. There’s no rationale for it being higher than the exact same kick that just happens to be not post-touchdown.
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
JB’s Gusterrhoids gets…
2019 1.05
Warner’s Brothers gets…
JB’s Gusterrhoids‘s 2020 1st Round Pick
So with the next pick…
1.05 Kyler Murray, QB, ARI
That makes things simpler for me.
1.06 Justice Hill, RB, Bal
Wow. I wondered, given that 2020 is supposed to be significantly better than 2019, if Dale was deliberately punting 2019 to have a deep investment in 2020 and I guess that’s what’s going on. That’s definitely a radical strategy, the sort of thing I like to see people try.
That’s not really a equal trade…opportunity cost and all. I suppose I see the logic, but without any certainty it won’t be 1.12 it’s a hell of a risk with a 1-year delay in the payout.
I’m not done dealing and I didn’t need a QB and I didn’t want the most obvious WR to take at this point.
Justice Hill sounds like it ought to be the name of a 19th century lawman.
That said, I had hoped he’d hang around a lot longer.
I prefer keeping the penalties except removing the PAT miss penalty altogether. My logic is that for a FG at the PAT distance, if you miss one and make one, you net a total of +1 point. (+3 for making one, -2 for missing one.) If you make one miss one on a PAT: +1 for making one, 0 for missing one, for the same +1 total.
Thus, my argument to remove the PAT miss penalty altogether, which I’ve been championing since last year’s thread. I think I had a bunch of people agree with that at the top of this thread. So far I see only two people agreeing to it being -1 for missing a PAT.
This is good being at the end of a page, giving me a free practice run before the new page. I believe this is correct. It includes the last two picks, but also all trades to this point. Specifically:
- dale gets Overly’s 4th round pick to even out their trade
- dale gets Justin’s 3rd round pick to even out their trade
Both are examples of simply sending over your last pick to even things out. Interestingly, Justin will finish his 3-pick draft by 2.03, with the first two coming in the first 5 picks. Nice!
If this is correct, anyone can copy and paste the list below onto the new page. If there are errors, let’s try to get them fixed before the new page.
1.01 Petey - Josh Jacobs, RB, Oak
1.02 Beef - David Montgomery, RB, Chi
1.03 Justin - Miles Sanders, RB, Phi
1.04 Overly - Darrell Henderson, RB, LAR
1.05 Justin - Kyler Murray, QB, Arz
1.06 Omni - Justice Hill, WR, Bal
1.07 Gaffer -
1.08 Retro -
1.09 RNATB -
1.10 Hamlet -
1.11 dale -
1.12 Ellis -
2.01 Petey -
2.02 Beef -
2.03 Justin -
2.04 Overly -
2.05 dale -
2.06 Omni -
2.07 Gaffer -
2.08 Retro -
2.09 RNATB -
2.10 Hamlet -
2.11 RNATB -
2.12 Ellis -
3.01 Petey -
3.02 Beef -
3.03 dale -
3.04 Overly -
3.05 Jules -
3.06 Omni -
3.07 Gaffer -
3.08 Retro -
3.09 Jules -
3.11 Jules -
3.12 Ellis -
4.01 Petey -
4.02 Beef -
4.04 dale -
4.05 dale -
4.06 Omni -
4.07 Gaffer -
4.11 Jules -
5.06 Omni -
5.11 Jules -
6.06 Omni -
Pick made and added to list. I added a round 5 pick for me as well.
1.01 Petey - Josh Jacobs, RB, Oak
1.02 Beef - David Montgomery, RB, Chi
1.03 Justin - Miles Sanders, RB, Phi
1.04 Overly - Darrell Henderson, RB, LAR
1.05 Justin - Kyler Murray, QB, Arz
1.06 Omni - Justice Hill, WR, Bal
1.07 Gaffer - N’Keal Harry, WR, NE
1.08 Retro -
1.09 RNATB -
1.10 Hamlet -
1.11 dale -
1.12 Ellis -
2.01 Petey -
2.02 Beef -
2.03 Justin -
2.04 Overly -
2.05 dale -
2.06 Omni -
2.07 Gaffer -
2.08 Retro -
2.09 RNATB -
2.10 Hamlet -
2.11 RNATB -
2.12 Ellis -
3.01 Petey -
3.02 Beef -
3.03 dale -
3.04 Overly -
3.05 Jules -
3.06 Omni -
3.07 Gaffer -
3.08 Retro -
3.09 Jules -
3.11 Jules -
3.12 Ellis -
4.01 Petey -
4.02 Beef -
4.04 dale -
4.05 dale -
4.06 Omni -
4.07 Gaffer -
4.11 Jules -
5.06 Omni -
5.07 Gaffer -
5.11 Jules -
6.06 Omni -