Gerald Everett, TE, LAR
[del]21. Mike Gesicki, TE, Mi[/del]
Mark Andrews, TE, Bal
[del]23. Jake Butt, TE, Den[/del]
Ryan Succop, K, Ten
Randy Bullock, K, Cin
Chicago, DEF, Chi
Kansas City, DEF, KC
If my math is correct that’s 5 picks for me. Question, I’m keeping Luck just in case there’s a change of heart and Alex Collins who remains an injured FA and thus isn’t formally on IR, can those guys be placed on the IR now allowing me to make picks now with those roster spots? If not, I’ll probably need to drop Collins too.
I’m leaning toward no, because that essentially creates a free draft pick that other people don’t get.
Here’s an updated draft order, which includes the trade just posted by RNATB. I don’t see any cuts for Retro; he said he posted his cuts “online”, meaning he PMed a commissioner, maybe? Anyway, I penciled him in for 5 picks as a placeholder.
1.01 Petey - Josh Jacobs, RB, Oak
1.02 Beef - David Montgomery, RB, Chi
1.03 Justin - Miles Sanders, RB, Phi
1.04 Overly - Darrell Henderson, RB, LAR
1.05 dale -
1.06 Omni -
1.07 Gaffer -
1.08 Retro -
1.09 RNATB -
1.10 Hamlet -
1.11 Jules -
1.12 Ellis -
Well not to throw rocks, but if Beef gets to leave a player on IR on his roster (Crowell I think) just because he was already rostered and IR’ed, doesn’t that amount to the same thing?
Personally, I think we should go the other way. The point of IR is to be able to keep a player you like long-term, but still let you have a chance to win short-term. If you have to give up everybody on your IR at the beginning of the season, that sort of defeats the purpose. I propose we be allowed to leave the draft with 25 + 2.
Good point about Crowell; I didn’t really notice that implication at the time. I tend to agree with the idea that everyone leaves the draft with 25 players.
Fixed pick 1.11 and gave Retro 3 picks:
1.01 Petey - Josh Jacobs, RB, Oak
1.02 Beef - David Montgomery, RB, Chi
1.03 Justin - Miles Sanders, RB, Phi
1.04 Overly - Darrell Henderson, RB, LAR
1.05 dale -
1.06 Omni -
1.07 Gaffer -
1.08 Retro -
1.09 RNATB -
1.10 Hamlet -
1.11 dale -
1.12 Ellis -
IRs help you stay in the game during the current season without requiring you to drop a starter-quality player just to avoid empty roster slots on gameday. In the offseason you can make long term strategic decisions about cutting low end players without worrying about this coming week’s games.
I’d love to stash Luck, believe me, but I don’t think that means every team gets to pick a player who’s recovering from an injury the previous season or preseason in addition to 25 extra players. I think we can agree that the Luck situation is probably the most extreme example of this type of thing, maybe with Bell’s holdout last year being in the discussion, but neither player gets tagged with an “IR” label so we don’t benefit?
The issue about stashing someone on IR during the draft is not a balance issue; it’s a mechanical one. We can’t exit the draft with more than 25 players, so nobody technically has IR spots until the draft is finalized. For the same reason as why we eventually got rid of the supplemental draft, it’s needlessly complicated to implement and the alternative is what generates interesting choice. If someone is on IR and you want to keep them, it takes up a roster spot at the expense of a pick until after the draft, and then you have to compete on the first week’s waiver wire. So the choice, as manager, is whether that stash is worth competing for a late round pick in a FAAB system. Otherwise, it is a free draft pick that carries all sorts of additional rules clarifications to deal with (is a retired player on I.R.?).
For the record, I didn’t get picks for the one (or two?) player(s) I had on IR during last year’s draft, either.
Dale sent me a PM around 11am that he was ready to pick but listening for trades - unfortunately he seems to be gone at the moment. I sent him a PM that we’ve got to get this thing moving. If you’re actively working out a trade, that’s fine to take a little longer, if there’s nothing serious going on we’re going to have to make picks sooner. And yes, I realize that I was the first one to be late.
We’ll be fine, we always are, but sometimes we need a little prodding.
On the IR issue - I thought we’d worked something out last year, but apparently we didn’t, and I have to go back and double check, but it sounds like no one has ever gotten credit for an IR player in our drafts based on what you guys are saying. In that case, I want to cut Crowell, to be clear. If that’s what we’ve been doing (forced to keep or cut players who were on IR before the draft) then obviously I’ll do that. But maybe we should open the discussions again for next year.
It’s kind of a record keeping issue, though. Like, you’re already being screwed by having a player you own go on IR during preseason before the draft - I don’t feel like it’s necessary to add to that by making someone decide whether to drop the player or lose a draft pick. We already have IR slots built into the league to help out owners who suffer IR players like this - it’s just sort of a mechanical/record keeping/yahoo issue that the IR slot doesn’t open up until after the draft. We could easily institute a workaround rule, like we drop that player before the draft (giving the player an extra spot out of their 25) and then that player could re-add the IR’d player to their roster after the draft and stick them in their IR slot.
Obviously I’m not going to try to benefit from something we haven’t established, so this would have to be a rule for next year. But it seems reasonable to me.
I hear what you’re saying, and it is just a matter of a minor work-around to make it work with what yahoo lets us do, but for that same reason I’ll vote no. Any amount of extra bookkeeping is no bueno. Simpler is better.