Forgot about the nasal vaccine. But still, unless something is wrong with you, you’re not going to get the flu from an attenuated vaccine. Either he had already caught the flu or he’s calling his immune response the flu.
So now that there is a vaccine, it would still be a logical time for a mandatory vaccine, correct?
I am the OP and welcome your response as to why my post was ignorant. I agree it is harsh and I admit it was an “I’m fed up” kind of post and why I put in the Pit. But I am also open to additional information that my change my mind.
Please note that my post is directed at those who are able to get vaccinated but refuse to do so.
Yeah, I am now seeing how the issue of the COVID-19 vaccine resisters is related to the whole GOP voter restriction movement - they are going to lose a lot of GOP voters so they gotta make up ground somewhere. I am at a loss as to how someone’s thinking process and risk assessment works if they are primarily motivated by “owning the libs” and “denying Biden a win”. Yeah, dying from a preventable cause of death will sure show those libs! No points for Biden!
Seriously, I think those resisting the vaccine for political reasons need to be spoken-to by people in their own ranks, not Biden, Newsom, or any other political figure. Instead, Faux News and Cucker Tarlson keep fanning the flames of vaccine resistance.
Yeah that is the supreme irony in all this. If fucking Trump has just done what would be considered the bare minimum for even the most incompetent of the previous 44 presidents: “listen to the scientists who you fucking pay to control diseases, spout meaningless platitudes written by your script writers”, Covid would have been crowning glory the moment he “became presidential”. He’d set the bar so fucking low, he just needed to turn up and not be a goddamned psychopath to be celebrated as Lincoln reincarnated. But he couldn’t even do that.
I’m starting to think there’s no way to friendly convince them to get the vaccine, they will continue in their merry infectious way until (and if) the government of whatever country they live in makes it very hard to be unvaccinated and participate in society.
It’s like having a toddler, you can try to reason with him for a while, but ultimately he will take a bath/eat his food/go to sleep because his parents said so, in the same way we’ve tried to convince anti-vaxxers to take their fucking medicine, anyone not convinced yet will have to be forced, be it by mandatory vaccination or by making their lives very inconvenient until they do.
That is the reality, yes – no “starting to think” for me. I came to that conclusion it would be this way before the vaccines came out.
Yeah, I should have said “I’m convinced by now”.
And it would have been easy for rightwing media to cook up a narrative along the lines of “Biden isn’t beating Covid, because it’s Trump’s vaccine!” Then all the MAGAts would equate getting the vaccine with owning the libs, and us normal folk would still get it just because it’s the right thing to do.
But I guess they’re just too fucking evil for that.
I know, right? And wasn’t that briefly the narrative? I seem to remember Trump trying to take all the credit for the vaccine, but that storyline seems to have been shoved aside.
Well, to be fair, he started to get busy bigly with the Big Lie around that time, so he was distracted. That said, if he were the statesman he thinks of himself, now would be a good time to come out and get some attention he craves and make a public address to encourage his fans to get the vaccine. But nooooo!
My apologies! By “OP” I meant Mr. Hoogley’s post that QuickSilver was referring to. I didn’t mean your OP.
That’s an awesome chart. Thanks!
Yeah it really shows the culpability of the GOP IMO. I mean prior to 2020 I’d assume anti-vax sentiment was approximately split between the lunatic fringe of the left and right wing (maybe even trending more to the left, in the affluent Democrat-supporting new age suburbs in California and like). It was clearly a conscious decision to make it a party political issue that changed that.
I’m just waiting* for Trump to come out with some diatribe about the evils of the vaccine, in 180-degree opposition to his boasting about it just a few months ago, and absolutely no one on rightwing media pointing out the flip-flop.
(*This may have already happened and I missed it.)
Yeah, but then his government underbought vaccines even when given the opportunity to purchase more (still not enough, but more) and then his special logistics team (was that one of Jared’s?) fucked up the distribution worse than DeJoy fucked the Post Office.
Thanks pulykamell. It’s pretty much the conclusion I’ve come to as well— all I can really do at this point is offer support and encouragement, and yeah, maybe a carrot or two if I can think of something. It’s good to hear it from someone else.
Thanks StraightTalk, I hope so too.
Well, there’s this. This week anyway. Something different next week.
Yeah. Count me among those who feel for you, @solost .
The one lesson that I’m still struggling daily to truly learn, and wish I had been taught as a kid, is …
You can’t answer an irrational argument with a rational response.
If this is coming from a place of fear … I guess trying to allay that fear (via emotion, love, kindness, empathy, caring, nurture, and support – not statistics) is maybe the best shot you’ve got.
Like I said: I think there’s power in this pithy saying, but there’s a difference between gaining an intellectual understanding of it and truly being able to put it into play.
DAMHIKT.
Good luck !
You know, that almost sorta makes sense. If you can’t trust that the government is being led by the right people, how can you trust anything that government does?
We are so well and truly fucked.