Shame on those that refuse the vaccine

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So now Trump is admitting blame for killing Americans. He repeatedly spreads lies about the election (he’s still doing that), and so people don’t trust the election results, and they refuse to take the vaccine, and then die off because when they contract the virus they lack the antibodies to survive it.

Granted, I’m not entirely sure that there is a solid link between not trusting the election results and not trusting the vaccine; these are the same vaccines that Trump took credit for getting pushed through, so technically you’re saying you don’t trust Trump. But regardless of how accurate this is, it’s a hell of a thing for the Cheeto Bandito to be claiming.

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But the important thing is that they died believing in trumpy. That means they’ve gone to the Heavenly Mar-a-Lago.

Not to mention, the same vaccine trumpy himself took.

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Mr_Hoogly, I feel more research is needed for mental illness than cancer, so somewhat similar to your viewpoint just different diseases. But here’s the thing: a pandemic is not like those other diseases. A pandemic kluges the medical system at the expense of others’ care.

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I suspect it is some miss understanding of statistics coming out of Brittain that found that most people who died of Covid were at least partially vaccinated. But that is not because the vaccine is ineffecitve but because the elderly population who are at greatest risk of dying Britain is almost entirely vaccinated. So the number of very rare breakthrough infections in the very large population of vaccinated people is comparable to the relatively high proportions of death in a very small unvaccinated population.

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If it helps at all, hubs got COVID back in May. He was pretty sick, but didn’t have to go to the hospital, so maybe when your wife gets it, she will be OK.

I love the idea of vaccine passports. I wouldn’t mind at all if someone darted my idiot husband with a shot of J&J. I’m masking because Delta is running wild through Arizona and I love him and want to protect him because I am positive he will catch it again, and I’m not sure if he will survive the next bout.

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For reasons I can’t quite grasp myself, I have been arguing with anti-vaxxers and COVID hoaxers on social media. And while I have no hope of arguing people out of some of the more serious paranoid delusions they are absolutely committed to, I can at least address the frequent questions about why everyone (or at least as many people as possible) needs to get vaccinated and continue to wear masks and observe reasonable social distancing for the time being.

The main concept people need to grasp is this: the goal is not “risk elimination”, it’s “risk reduction”. That’s very important.

To use an example: if you drive or ride in a car, you can never completely eliminate the risk of dying in a car crash. But we have developed myriad risk reduction methods, from speed limits and drunk driving laws to seatbelts and airbags to better road designs. None of those things are guaranteed to save your life in a crash, but the risk of death or serious injury is a lot smaller.

Likewise, vaccines are not magic potions that give you a 100% impenetrable bubble against viruses. No vaccine is 100% effective, and not everyone can be vaccinated. They do, however, greatly reduce transmissibility - which means that if enough people get vaccinated, the transmission rate will be so low the virus will stop circulating and the pandemic will be over. Conversely, if too many people remain unvaccinated and the virus continues to circulate freely, new variants will arise which may (or may not) be worse.

Vaccines also reduce (but not completely eliminate) the risk of you having any symptoms and of you have a severe reaction to the virus. Note that at present the vast majority of people being hospitalized with - and dying of - COVID are unvaccinated.

The same applies to wearing masks and social distancing. They reduce risk of transmission; they don’t eliminate it. And masks are even more about preventing you from infecting others rather than protecting you directly (and remember that you may never know if you’re infected, but you can still pass it on to someone who will have a much more adverse reaction). When enough people do it, it works.

I get that the lack of certainty and the long time it’s taking to get to where we need to be is frustrating. And the fact that - even with vaccines and masks and social distancing - the risk of catching and/or passing on the virus still exists can make you wonder why anyone should bother.

But all you’re being asked to do is to be a responsible adult for a little while, in order to help save others’ lives as well as your own. If you can’t manage that, well, that’s on you.

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Thanks DavidNRockies. I brought up my wife’s situation to make the case that maybe we shouldn’t paint everybody who’s refused the vaccine with quite the same broad brush of anger and death wishes. I wasn’t trying to garner support for our family situation, but I really appreciate the support you guys have given.

So, your husband got Covid, got very sick, and still is refusing the vaccine? I feel for you, JaneDoe42. I hope at least if he gets it again his antibodies from the first bout protect him to some extent.

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Don’t bother with this argument. We as a society have decided that the individual is more important, so doing something “for the good of the nation” has no effect.

I really really believe that American society has forgotten that there are other people, and that their needs are important, too.

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The good news is (from what I’ve read) that antibodies from an infection do last at least nine months – perhaps much longer – and do offer immunity/protection. Problem is, the antibodies they produce are not as generalized as the ones produced from vaccines, so natural immunity doesn’t look to be as effective and broad as vaccine immunity.

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I don’t know what your point is really?
In the UK auxiliary hospitals were made available and none of them have been used. So I don’t understand the argument that the health care system has been flooded because it hasn’t, cancer and brain tumour patients should not be kept from a bed due to a flu virus in any circumstance.

Thankfully vaccine is not mandatory and will never be so its ucky that people on here don’t make the rules.

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What am I lying about?
You and me have both been lied to and you don’t give a shit, no worries.

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Good luck with that.

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So, Frodo, you were saying something about trying to reason with toddlers?

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Exactly.

Over 85% of all adults over 18 have received at least one dose. The data to look at is the disconnect between cases and deaths in the UK compared to past surges. It’s quite startling. There were about 5X the deaths at this point in past surges.

Israel is doing even better. The Delta variant was detected in Israel way back in April. The surge was very slow to start but it has started. It’s been over a month since cases started to rise, and again, deaths have only risen slightly.

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Are you aware that over 95% of COVID cases currently tracked in the US is solely among the unvaccinated population. Over 99% of deaths due to COVID infections is strictly in the unvaccinated population. The COVID Delta variant is responsible for 83% of all current infections and that this variant carries a viral load estimated to be 1000x greater than the original virus. The UK is not an exception.

What is your objection to the COVID vaccine given the above data? Do you have similar objections to the various other vaccines programs recommended by health professionals?

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I rest my case.

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Luck is something we all need, but unvaccinated people need it far more.

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I have been keeping up on this because I am positive that he will get some variant within the next year. Our county is just over 35% vaccinated and I don’t see many masks. My rough guestimate is that currently 8% of any given population that I am dealing with masked to bare face are disease ridden plague monkeys who could give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves where COVID is concerned, hubs included, the idiot.

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I’ve already said I dont trust any statistic put out by our governments because they all have an agenda whatever it may be. They don’t exist to report facts.
Again, what is your point? What is your objection, if you yourself have had the jabs what’s your problem what people decide to do?

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Where are the brakes on this hamster wheel? The little furry guys are getting very tired and thirsty.