Of course, with a lot of Trump voters the four grandparents aren’t necessarily four different people.
Can I hijack this thread to ask a question about SDMB policy? It is related to stupid Republican ideas, if calling the slug-like life form that calls itself “Saint Cad” is not an insult to Republicans.
The slug just started a thread in Elections forum. Details don’t matter — only invertebrate biologists would be interested in the “cognition” of a slug. My question is about my response to him:
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Every single sentence — no, every single word — in OP is wrong and ignorant. I’d recommend asking the Mods to move the thread to the Pit where we can better fight your ignorance but judging by your Join Date and prior postings I don’t think self-education is a priority for you.
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I almost clicked Submit Reply but reconsidered based on the large number of Mod Warnings I’ve already received. My question is: Are the substitutions like “ignorant” for “stupid” and “wrong” for “lying” sufficient to avoid Warning outside the Pit?
I think you’re likely to have more of a problem with “I don’t think self-education is a priority for you”, actually. That’s a direct personal insult, IMO.
Bo has a point. However, on the upside, since you’ve immortalized the words here, by quoting them in your post, they’re not gone forever.
What I do, on many occasions when a sudden attack of better judgement compels me to refrain from posting something, is put it into a PM to the mods and request to know whether it’s likely to get me into trouble. They’re pretty good about responding to such inquiries.
FTR, I thought the thread was likely to head to the Pit anyway, so I suggested a move.
ETA: and if they do move it, you can change the wording back to “stupid” and “lying”…
dumb GOP idea: that Trump has a “mandate.” He’s only the second man to be elected with a sub-plurality in 127 years.
Plurality isn’t the word you want there. Though I’m not sure what is.
A plurality is the single largest portion of the votes, while falling short of a majority.
Trump failed to get a majority of the popular vote, but the last time that happened was only 16 years ago (GWB’s first term). (Still not a plurality, though, since the single largest portion of the votes was Clinton’s slender majority.)
His majority of electoral votes was slim, but again, you only have to go back to GWB’s first term to find someone else in the same range - GWB got 271.
Trump failed to get a plurality. Clinton did not get a majority in the popular vote, but did get a plurality over Trump.
Huh. Must have found an old estimate when I looked.
But, that said, he’s still not the first to win without a plurality in 128 years, since GWB won against a majority.
Hence:
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Now stop making me defend that guy.
Not to mention that the GOP didn’t even gain seats in Congress, they lost a small number. No mandate whatsoever. This is a time for humility, not hubris.
Now that you can no longer blame anybody else for your fuckups, yes.
But the neat thing about the Republican Party is that no matter how badly or how often you fuck up, you can just deny reality and claim it was somehow all the fault of the Democrats/immigrants/gays/welfare recipients/Muslims dancing in the streets of New Jersey/ACORN/anyone else but you [select one or more of the above].
Because that’s what the Party of Personal Responsibility is all about - making other people personally responsible for your mistakes!
Yes, no matter how much damage the Republicans cause, the Democrats will still be the party of The Other.
Isn’t that what Democrats did? Are you guys still insisting that you governed fantastically in 2009-2010, but were defeated by Republican lies and smears?
I’ve seen multiple posts, here and in other places, blaming Democrats for the election of Trump because they didn’t stop him from being elected, and Trump hasn’t even done anything yet. No one blames Republicans for the Affordable Care Act; but if they’d nominated someone better than McCain they could have stopped the whole thing. Democrats at least admit it when they do stuff; I’m pretty sure even Obama has called it Obamacare.
Democrats did pave the way for Trump, but in this case I’m talking about the midterm defeats that preceded it. Wave elections don’t just happen and Democrats suffered two of them.
And Republicans paved the way for Obama. So what?
I can’t wait to see the congressional Republicans who felt so vehemently that Bill Clinton was morally unfit for office go after Donald Trump with the same vigor. They must do so, right? Else, they are simply lying fucking hypocrites, and I’d suuuure hate to believe that’s true.
- No, that’s not what Democrats did. The Democrats were severely hamstrung by Republican obstructionism which included blocking every bill Obama was in favour of and appointee he approved including even when it meant blocking bills and appointees they themselves had put forward, not to mention the endless investigations in “scandals” that were indeed largely based on “Republican lies and smears” and which turned up nothing but cost the taxpayers tens of millions. That actually happened.
And of course the endless refrain about how much the debt increased under Obama has been a popular one. Never mind that most of that was down to the two wars, massive tax cuts and deep recession he inherited; Republicans were constantly going on about “when are you going to stop blaming Bush for things Obama did” in order to get people to blame Obama for things Bush did. That also happened. And still happens.
So you’ve conveniently skipped over the point, which was that the Republicans tend to completely rewrite history in order to support the arguments that the problems are all someone else’s fault. Democrats aren’t remotely flawless and I’m happy to discuss problems that are actually of their making, but neither are they remotely as mendacious as the other side. And no one is moreso than the President-Elect.
- I don’t recall anyone, including Democrats (of whom I am not one), saying that the Democrats “governed fantastically in 2009-2010” - in fact many Democrats complain that not enough was accomplished during the seven-month period the Democrats actually had a Senate supermajority - so unless you’ve got a specific example you’d like to discuss I’m going to file this one under “completely rewriting history” too.
President-elect Donald J. Trump.