Tom = Coach
Russell = Rupert
Colby = Boston Rob
James > Tyson
This is really the huge disparity you’ve been claiming?
JT > randy
3 are equal, 2 are skewed for heroes. there is a disparity.
You also need to remember that 3 are equal if Villains get their best choices in. Who knows how they choose the competitors. If they rotate last call.
I’m not seeing the huge disparity you claim. If Randy’s in the mix he goes against James, neutralizing the biggest power. That leaves JT with Tyson. As I recall, JT’s tribe got owned in physical challenges by a tribe that included Tyson and Coach.
yet again, you are still using the best case scenario for the villains.
the heroes’ men and women are in a higher weight class bracket than the villains. Strength wise it’s obvious. You’d rather not want to see it so there will be no convincing you otherwise.
You seem to not see the age difference at all, despite the fact that you actually mentioned it. Tom is an old man who should be fairly easy to beat by any of the villain guys. As was demonstrated in the first challenge of the season. Colby is well past his best-by date, and Rupert is both old and fat.
Remember that Coach flat-out owned Colby in that first challenge, dragging his old ass over the line.
Tom < Boston Rob
Russell = Rupert
Colby < Coach
James > Randy
JT > Tyson
Seems even steven to me.
but he’s no slouch, he was a firefighter. What is Tyson and Randy?
another thing to add, Russell was in the previous round of survivor. He didn’t have time to beef up and re-energize. You’re taking his strength into a different level than what it actually is.
I’ll agree to disagree with you.
But I will not let you claim an unfair advantage as being an objective fact. It’s your subjective opinion. Fair enough?
First challenge involved teamwork and match ups, not pure strength. My beef is with the pillow fight. Pure strength, positioning and strategy may come into play but it’s one on one. No teamwork, no real way to learn a strat to win, i.e. one off matches.
When teamwork is involved villains get close the gap. When strats can come into play, villains will use them more quickly than heroes to close the gap. When it’s pure strength there is no “gap closing” possible. If you cannot see the skew for the Heroes in that challenge I doubt you’ll see it ever.
I guess I could leave it at that. But I’ll probably be the first to harp on unfairness with later challenges. Just like how I abhor standing balance challenge in the end where women and men are involved. Women have a lower center of gravity and have the advantage there.
Seems to me in your mind every individual match was as skewed as James vs Randy. Most of them were quite close and could easily have gone either way.
weight wise pretty much. Girls included.
also in that pillow fight game there is no learning curve.
If suck once, you lose it for your team. Next contestants up.
Villains use learning curve to their advantage and adjust. Brute Force retards, i mean Heroes, just muscle through whatever they deem is an obstacle.
You really have a bizarre fixation with your premise. Are you really claiming that every matach was a lopsided as James vs Randy? Because if you are, you lose all credibility for apparently not having actually watched the matches. For example, Coach won his first matchup before they redid it.
Most of the matches were close with both contestants having the upper hand at some point. Which means if you’re saying that all the weight differentials were heavily skewed, the weight differential was not particularly meaningful.
Weight would matter for the person who weighs less, they have to exert more force to push out the heavier person than the heavy to light.
Coach won because he cheated/didn’t follow the rules.
If the whole game was set up so there were weight classes like Super Heavyweight to featherweight, I’d be okay, but it’s not. It’s guys vs guys and girls vs girls. You don’t see Super Heavyweight boxers go at it versus Flyweights. That’s the imbalance I talk about.
Even if there are matchups that are even, not all are even. It’s skewed towards the Heroes because they have the Muscle/Fat/Weight. That slight weight advantage, is still an advantage. Hence me crying foul. Make a game where weight advantage has no semblance of a leg up.
But what’s weird is you seem to think the physical advantage is unfair while being perfectly fine with the puzzle advantage, which has proven to be far and away a much larger and clearer advantage than the physical one.
that’s the thing! Everyone has a brain, not everyone has a great physique, is fat/big boned and or is strong.
it’s not a pure puzzle when puzzles are involved.
I’d be all over, producers manipulation if it were so, just like how fucking obvious Heroes are the brawn team and will win the pillow fight.
Pillow fight was pure one on one brute force, no teamwork, no strats, no learning curve.
WORST designed challenge ever.
Plus the fact that teams aren’t decided by two different people (read: general managers), it’s the same person/people/powers that be that choose the teams and create the challenges. When one challenge is based on pure brute strength, there is an unfair advantage. The person who picked the teams WILL know who’ll win or at least go in with a 1-0, 2-0, or 3-0 lead. James vs anyone, Cirie vs. Any girl, Randy vs. Any male competitor on heroes.
Every other challenge includes teamwork, brawn, brains, leadership, whatever else there is, to varying degrees. The Sumo/pillow fight hand ONE aspect that dominated. GET THAT IDEA IN YOUR HEAD. because I ceded on your point however flimsy be that by definition competitions are fair from the getgo.
Again, just leave it as agree to disagree, ffs you are just trying to agitate me or soemthing.
Neither of us can let this go because the other is so clearly wrong. At least let’s try to confine this dick-measuring contest to this old thread so everyone else can enjoy the weekly threads without us polluting up the joint.
You are completely and utterly wrong, and worse your argument doesn’t even make sense.
The pillowfight is NOT 100% strength. A 100% strength contest would be benchpress or something. The pillowfight involved strength, agility, balance, coordination and endurance.
And this sentence is clearly moronic: “Everyone has a brain, not everyone has a great physique, is fat/big boned and or is strong.” You really can’t see how retarded that is? Try this: “Everyone is able-bodied, not everyone has great cognitive function.”
As for “it’s not a pure puzzle when puzzles are involved”, this season has demonstrated that when puzzles are involved, nothing else matters.
GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
First off, how do you explain the fact that teams are chosen by one entity? You cannot use your shitty excuse of competition done in pro sports or even high school sports as fairness. ONE entity chose BOTH teams. Did they choose both teams evenly in terms of weight and muscle? Easily definable quantities compared to brain power/leadership/learning curve/teamwork. You cannot in an unbiased point of view see that as a fair distribution of challengers per team. There is no equal to James or Cirie or Randy or Courtney. That’s already skewed to one side mainly the Heroes.
Next explain to me how the game of the pillow fight isn’t a test of strength and balance where weight would have zero advantage. Weight classes are made to even the playing field, there were no weight classes in that challenge. Just man vs man, woman vs woman. The game was Sumo wrestling lite. Do super fatso sumos go against super thin sumos? Perhaps in exhibition matches where the outcome doesn’t determine their seeding and rank, hence it’s not an actual competition, it would be unfair because one outweighs the other. The amount of extra exertion and sumo know how needs to overcome the sheer weight of fatso, where the fatso can just dig in and use minimal effort to move the skinny guy.
You think competitions are fair because that’s what they are. You cannot fathom the fact that people come in different shapes and sizes and such difference is obvious compared to that of brainpower. If a competition where to do linear algebra and calculus and there was an engineer vs a farmhand, hell I’d be all over that bullshit too, but measuring brainpower isn’t so black and white as weight and physique.
You also think that any puzzle is a Hero bane. Of course it is from where we stand now. But you forget to mention other aspects that Heroes lack enormously. That is leadership (egos), teamwork (egos again), and learning curve (somewhat brain related).
If the Villains all had PhD, masters and college grads and they had a degree from a community college I would understand that puzzles are set up from the producers to get them to win. None of them are highly educated, both teams have the same education level which is basically high school. But again, the challenges don’t include just a puzzle, they need to do a physical part where they usually lose to the Heroes, only to catch up because they have smarts/leadership/teamwork. That’s not to say that PhDs and college grads are smarter than an average person in puzzles. It’s just that brainpower and puzzle solving isn’t an obvious measure of one’s mental capacity.
The producers in my opinion placed the sumo pillow fight in to give the Heroes at least one Villain down. They probably didn’t know how poorly Heroes were in general team challenges. They probably thought the Villains were going to at least have a fighting chance in the other challenges because there were so many other aspects involved.
There haven’t been challenges like the sumo pillow fight in the season so far. They all have included the team to work as a team, not as individuals. That’s the correct method of creating a team immunity challenge.
And finally to add, fairness.
Once the playing field is unbalanced, it is not fair. Cirie outweighing all the girls in Villains = unfair. James huge bulk (all mass, no class) = unfair. Randy old guy of Villains = any old guy of the Heroes. Courtney the twig = any girl in Heroes outweighs her. Unfair.
Pushing someone out of a zone and outweighing someone = unfair.
I remember in gym class we had to pair up and do roman-greco wrestling. Everyone basically paired up with someone their own size and I had to fight a 6’ 200 pound junior hockey player. He was a friend of mine because we played basketball together. I only weighed about 130pounds at the time and am about 5’7’’. How did you think that turned out? If you think I had a fair chance of winning you are bullshitting yourself. Even with him being on the bottom I couldn’t break into his defenses with sheer power. How much extra energy did I need to use to beat him compared to the minimal energy he had to use to take me down? That energy output difference is the unfairness in wrestling type ventures. Simply put weight difference = energy output difference. And I’m not even a pro at wrestling, I had to come up with strats within the rules to try and beat the 200pounder. How much more energy am i wasting thinking and exerting force, where as big guy had to push me off with one arm.
You really believe what you want to believe, I’ll believe what I saw and thought was unfairness. I also believe you are totally wrong and just try to avoid the outright imbalance there was in that challenge. You believe I’m over-exaggerating, I think I did so when the challenge occurred because I was pissed off at how the whole thing unfolded (randy someone I liked for commentary was eliminated).