Are you watching the same show as the rest of us? Because just saying the same line over and over does not make it true. How would Sandra goading Russell into voting for her make it foolproof that he’d be voted out? Parvarti & Jerri want the Heroes gone, they were not going to vote for Russell. Everything you are saying about Sandra can be completely refuted by what’s actually happened in the season. *Sandra *got Coach voted out. *Sandra *told the Heroes about Russell being the leader and it not being an all-girls alliance. **Jerri **is the one who has done nothing this game. For some reason you have this weird hate on against Sandra, fine whatever, but stop making up false reasons for it.
- (Hmm. Rupert could conceivably wind up in the final three with me. And this is just the sort of annoying thing that could keep people from voting for him. I could ask him to stop, but that might annoy him, and he might wind up in the jury pool, and then he might not be inclined to vote for me. Maybe I’ll just quietly bitch about him to everybody else and plant some seeds.) Whisper, whisper, whisper…
Amen to that. All that Sandra being nothing bashing is based on nothing but opinion and some twisted hate and loathing.
I work with a Rupert-like asshole. Sits loudly crunching ice and loudly rattling a cup of ice all goddam day. Drives everybody crazy, but no one says anything to her, because none of us wants to get their ******face ripped off. I can totally understand it.
Oh, and thank you, Eyebrows, for stating my thoughts on the Sandra debate so clearly. If I knew a place to bet, I’d lay some cash on Sandra’s chances of being our first double Suvivor winner. And I hope she throws a buff at Russell and tells him to wipe his smelly ass with it when he begs her to tell him he deserved to win after not getting a single vote!
What “hating”? Calling someone “boring” is hardly hatred. You’re projecting a lot of false feelings on those you seem to disagree with.
okay, rather than saying " some twisted hate and loathing", I should’ve said something like uncanny dislike that’s based on something not factual. Because I pretty much rebutted all the “nothings” being thrown out willy-nilly from Joanie and yet the stance on “hating” her for those aspects are false, yet the feeling is still there. It’s pretty much a blind character evaluation based on one’s opinion rather than what’s being shown to us by the editors. You can’t call someone boring with poor reasons, be shown that your reasons to call someone boring isn’t based on fact and yet maintain your stance without some sort of reasonable “hate” on that person.
You make a very strong point and I think you are correct. But, don’t you recall Sandra saying that she wanted to get rid of Russell anyway?
I don’t remember her exact words, but I’m fairly certain she has made it clear that she wants Russell gone. If that is correct, what does it say about Sandra? She wants Russel gone. She has an almost sure-fire way to get rid of Russell. But she doesn’t do anything about it. It would be a big mistake to get rid of Russell. But she wants to do that anyway.
I’m afraid that we will just never come to any common ground about this. I recognize that many of you make strong points about Sandra and I kind of agree with you about much of it. But I just don’t like her and don’t want her on my TV. So, I’m going to try very hard and go “cold turkey” and withdraw from this discussion about Sandra. I just don’t like her and don’t want her around. But I recognize we can never come to any common ground with respect to this discussion. We are almost certainly destined to always disagree about Sandra.
So, I’m going to just withdraw from this discussion and leave you all with my respect for your opinions and I just don’t want to quarrel any more. It just won’t ever go anywhere. I wish you all the best of luck and if you think that means that Sandra will win, I’m sure that she will win. But I just don’t think that will be good for the franchise because I’m sure that will mean from now on, we will get nothing but “Sandra clones” who want to play this game. Sandra has a sure fire way to win this game. She just lets her personality take over (it is totally inoffensive, non-threatening and IMO very passive). I don’t think she can possibly lose. But I do think the Survivor franchise will end up losing in the long run.
So, best of luck to you all. Good luck and goodbye.
You and I agree that she wants Russell gone AND that she didn’t seem to make any effort to have it happen – we just interpret it differently.
You apparantly see this as passivity, lying low, doing nothing.
I see it as she is able to control her gut-level emotions in favor of strategic planning. Yes, she wants Russell gone. So does everyone else – apparently he’s a total ass around camp, abusive, intrusive, does nothing to help with the work, etc. Of course you wish he wasn’t there.
OTOH, your thinking brain tells you that he can’t win the final vote, that having him in the final three with you is a GOOD thing, that it’s vital to get rid of the remaining Heroes. So you suck it up, put on your big girl panties, and vote out Rupert.
Revenge is a dish best served cold, after all. 
Well here’s something weird for Survivor fans:
Judge Paschal “Pappy” English (he of the purple rock) has resigned from the bench in disgrace, after an alleged affair with a public defender who practiced in his court.
The point that I’m making is you can’t throw out phrases like “do nothing, be nothing…” and have your statement refuted and continue to use that phrase continuously when you cannot prove your stance with adequate examples.
Again, I see your character evaluation on Sandra way out of whack.
If u see her as inoffensive. I’m sorry, but you need to hear what Courtney has to say about Sandra. She knows who the real Sandra is.
http://www.ew.com/ew/video/0,,20354695_20340298,00.html
scroll down to Survivor Deleted Scene 4/1/10 Courtney on Sandra.
non-threatening, I agree, she’s pathetic in challenges and seems to not give any effort in camp life.
Very passive, nope, again wrong. When she actively tried to join up with the Heroes during the merge and things didn’t pan out the way she had wanted. She just killed the idea and stuck it out with Russell’s majority
I’m not going to break my word here about quitting the quarrel concerning the S-Lady because I’m not going to discuss her at all. But, this seems like a real good topic for people who never quite bought into Sean and Pappy (remember Sean?) being all lovey-dovey best friends and having lots of love between them. Anyway, I always got the feeling that Pappy was holding back plenty of nasty feelings for Sean. I’d really like to catch Pappy doing somthing honest wrt Sean. Anything over and above Adultery owing to his remarks about Sean being “dis-ingenuous”. It always seemed to me that when it came to being dis-Ingenuous, Pappy should have just kept his mouth shut or just said nothing at all about that situation. I never believed him saying that Sean was “dis-ingenuous” and putting all the blame on Sean - like it was just a one-sided problem. I never believed that and I would so much like to catch him in the act of lying about that. I wonder if now might be the time.
Seems to me that Pappy was always full of you-know-what when it came to being holier than thou. Didn’t you ever get that feeling?
So, it would be so great to learn that Pappy wasn’t really as free from fault as he has always presented himself to be. I always figured that the Big Guy in the Sky had the last word on Pappy anyway, when he handed him that Purple rock and Pappy just swallowed it and disappeared. Could it have been a magic Purple disappearing rock?
I wonder if he would recommend a Public Defender to me. How about that lady with the backward spelling first name? Do you know who I mean? I mean that lady with the name spelled backwards. So strange that Jeff never found a way to comment on that before. Pappy? Can you leave Neleh a message for me? Can you ask her to call Einnaoj? Thanks ever so much Pappy!
I wasn’t really yelling or anything. The capitals were mostly for emphasis. You don’t have to leave, either the thread or the board. I’m going to chalk this up to you not being used to our sometimes boisterous discussions here (and this is just Cafe Society! You should see the Pit!), and suggest that you stick around and just give your opinion when you want to. I can pretty much guarantee that no one in this thread was attacking you personally. They were arguing with your opinion, which is, frankly, about as rare as breathing around here. 
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That never occurred to me!
So of the people who are left Colby’s a joke, Jerri’s afraid of Russell, Russell’s an openly sexist shithead who should never be allowed on television again, Pavarti’s an outspoken mastermind and Sandra’s a relaxed mastermind.
Go Parvati and Sandra!
seriously don’t take things personally in this thread.
I’ve been in “heated” arguments about Survivor with other people than just you.
I got into a whole unfair for the Villains with the sumo/pillow fight challenge near the beginning with Ellis Dee. And even last week I came into disagreement with ** Archive Guy ** about Rupert’s boner for Russell’s plans from last week’s previews of this week’s episode. He thought that Rupert will see through Russell’s whole lie but I said he’ll just follow blindly. There’s plenty to disagree about, just need to back up your opinions with some sort of example, so you don’t look like you’re throwing ideas just for the sake of saying something new and fresh.
The way they edited Jerri, if she does make it to the end, she’ll really need to talk her way into the million. She’s been portrayed as aloof and not really into making her own strategic plays.
Sandra and Parv have good chances of winning because both can talk really well and convince people and out debate competitors.
Colby, I’m not too sure about him. He can win because he’s a hero and has the connections, but I think they all know or feel like he checked out of the game even before the merge and that could bite him in the ass if he can’t explain his total lack of focus in challenges.
Russell, I think for sure he lost the million. He kept on making moves and promises to everyone and breaking them, leaving a really sour taste in the mouths of almost all the jury members. Watching the Ponderosa clips and seeing how everyone on the jury talk about him, I’d be really surprised if they get over their mutual hate for Russell and give him his due on his strategic moves. He’ll really need to explain himself really well and not come out looking like an egomaniac.
I wasn’t saying I was going to leave the thread or the board.
I just feel there is no point in my continuing this discussion because I can’t see anyway that we will ever resolve this.
I have no problem or hard feelings towards anyone about this. Sometimes people just strongly disagree about something and I don’t want to fight with anyone about this.
I really enjoy this board and I’m very happy that I registered here. I hope to continue participating.
I have no problems with any of you. I’m very happy to have met you all.
And as it turns out, we were both right in a way–Rupert knew he couldn’t trust Russell but he still admitted to deluding himself into thinking it might work anyway. One thing for sure–I won’t miss him; that Epic Stare of Offended Self-Righteousness as he left. :rolleyes: Good Grief, man! Get over yourself! And the wood-chopping thing was hilarious and vintage Rupert, and I agree with you 100%–anyone who said anything more assertive than eggshell-like sensitivity would’ve gotten the Rupert Martyr treatment, not just then but all the next morning too. Just not worth it. I watched the show pretty regularly for a while, but when the Coronation of Rupert gave him $1M for doing…uh…nothing, I bailed on the show until this season.
I think the revelation that Sandra stood up to Russell publicly gave her a lot of additional street cred among the jury. Nobody’s going to vote for Russell, but I think there may be some ambivalence about Parvati’s gameplay because while she’s been a resilient challenge player and a loyal ally toward the Villains, she’s also been joined at the hip with Russell for most of their time together, and he may be so toxic that she may be tainted by association, no matter how hot she is.
But Sandra’s always been on the margins. She has scrabbled for survival throughout, and the Losers Lodge will be able to exchange stories about her tenacity that show gumption without being quite so craven or overtly manipulative as Parvati. Plus now, she shows a streak of fearlessness in standing up to Russell and resourcefulness in having the HII when nobody expected it.
I wouldn’t mind if either she or Parvati won. Jerri doesn’t have much traction as arguments go (other than never having won before) and Colby is Dead Man Walking (I don’t think he’s been intentionally throwing the challenges; he’s just been Out to Lunch for weeks).
Since the merge, at least, she’s been portrayed as scared shitless. I don’t see the aloofness.
As far as Russell learning from his mistakes, do we know the timing of this season and the last? I know this season started before last season’s finale, but did he know at any point in this season that he lost last season?