Sport is to Professional as Game is to Ameture.
Again, a silly attempt at distinction. When I play football, I’m playing a sport. When I play football, I’m also playing a game. “Game” has a broader definition, within which some sports are included, and some are not.
… as fish is to bycicle.
This is about as silly as it gets. Essentially every professional sport is also played by amateurs.
In some things, yes - but the distinction between Golf as a “sport” and Golf as a “game” is often the player - for Professional Players who get paid/make a living at it, it is truly a Sport - while for the regular hacks it is merely a ‘game’ - same stands true for football with a bunch of friends.
Nascar driving is a sport - in that the competitors at the televised/making money level have an entirely different focus and preparation than do others - and most of it no one even considers.
The distinction I was making is simple - at the Proffesional Level, Golf is indeed a sport - as are many other common ‘games’ that the rest of us folks play.
One Man’s Sport is another’s Game.
It really isnt that hard to comprehend.
So it’s not a sport unless the competitors are paid? Why is that?
I think the idea he’s trying to get across is that the otherwise relatively unathletic activity of “amateur” golf (meaning weekend hacker in a cart, presumably) becomes a “sport” when it is practiced by dedicated players, such as the professionals on tour.
But this distinction is still missing a point. I can be quite athletic as a golfer when playing a casual 18 on a weekend, depending upon how I approach it. Similarly, one can reduce football to an activity that is hardly strenuous. So “sport” is not dependent upon being dedicated, or professional, or anything of the sort. It has to do with how you approach the particular game or competition.
And “sport” is not in contrast to “game.” There are sports that are not games, sports that are games, and games that are not sports.
NM - I don’t think I’ll be able to get my idea accross -
This…
Look up the definition of sport in any dictionary. Generally, it refers to, but is not restricted to any physical activity that requires skill and has a set of rules. Here’s one.Here’s another.More here.And still more.
These restrictions you want to impose on what it means to engage in a sport are just silly.
I’m not imposing a restriction - they are all games, they are all sports - the competitors themselves are what make any ‘actual’’ distinction between wether they are playing Golf as a ‘game’ (an activity with a set of rules) or a ‘sport’ (an activity with a set of rules practiced competitively) - as the stakes rise (both physically and economically) in the competitive arena, so does the percieved meaning/distinction between ‘game’ and ‘sport’.
When in truth, they are all ‘games’ AND ‘sports’.
Well, you have a minority and non traditional understanding, then. Amateurs are just as much sportsmen as professionals are. It’s the nature of the game, not the stakes, that define a sport.
How so ?
Is football a game?
Is golf a sport?
Again, - they are all games by defintion - an activity with a set of rules - its the nature of the competition (if it exists) that elevate it to a sport.
And I never said that amateurs were not sportsmen - on average, their level of commitment/competition/skill/etc is very different than those that practice the same sport/game at a professional level. Indeed - it must be, or they would all be one or the other.
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You said this : * Sport is to Professional as Game is to Ameture.
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I assume you weren’t trying to spell armature.
Contrapuntal, he’s already explained what he means. He’s not trying to draw a distinction on the basis of being paid; he’s using the term “amature” to mean someone who isn’t competitively into a game/sport. In short, weekend hacker at golf.
Beating up someone over their choice of words when they’ve indicated their actual intent is pretty pedantic.
Here’s the problem with your analysis: Baseball is more sedentary than golf. Maybe 12 swings of the bat, 5 sprints in the outfield, 20 quick movements in the infield and game over. Unless you’re the pitcher or catcher.
Actually, I guess they do have to walk from the dugout to their position and back 9 times, so maybe it’s closer to golf than I was thinking.
That depends how you play it. I ran to back up every throw I could when I played outfield. I backed up double plays and charged every ground ball in case it was just deflected. I tried to get next to the other fielders in case they dropped the ball. You can stand around and say you are playing outfield but you are not.
All true, I was just having some fun.
Not to go too far in linking Tiger to this doctor who is now being tied to performance enhancers, but questions are going to be asked.
Yeah, the higher the stakes, the more it becomes sport. He’s wrong.
And he’s 0 for 2. That’s an insufficient definition for amateur.
Yeah, it is. If you can show where I’ve done that, I’ll apologize. Failing that, I’ll thank you to keep your false accusations to yourself.
{This might be better for GQ}
Assuming Tiger’s contracts with Nike, Accenture, ATT, Tag Heuer, etc. had a “morals clause” and Tiger violated those morals clauses, can the companies successfully sue Tiger to re-coup their investment?
And FTR, I know most people on this board are not lawyers.
I already did. :rolleyes: