No, I don’t think they would answer any differently than the boys.
Yes, it is.
And thus I answered why, imho, women don’t get as harsh sentences as men for the same crime. I never said it was right. And unfortunately, now I’ve got to re-evaluate my support for an older age for consensual sex because of it. What I mean is, if I say that I would not consider this rape when I was 14, or now that I’m older, then how can I say it is wrong for a 14 year old to have sex if they want to? Ugh, sometimes I hate being a member here.
Does this mean that your daughter’s actions will not result in quicklime and a shovel when the same actions committed by a son would result in a pat on the back?
I don’t entirely fault your attitude. Most men seem to have never considered the fact that teenage girls are just as horny as teenage boys. The only thing that was harder for me when I was 14 was trying to forget the message that I was supposed to be some kind of guardian of purity. My father would start with that ‘boys are only after one thing’ crap, and how as a girl it was up to me not to give it to them and I just wanted to scream at him ‘but that thing is what I want too.’
I don’t honestly know if every 14 year old (boy or girl) is ready mentally to give consent. I don’t know that it should be a crime for an adult to have sex with a consenting 14 year old. I think it’s skeevy and disgusting for a teacher to have sex with a student, even if the student is above the age of consent.
I do think twelve is too young for a boy or a girl to be in a mental position to give consent, especially to an adult or authority figure, and those who take advantage of that should go to prison.
Did you think the shovel bit was for the daughter? It was for the 25yo guy, not her. And I agree that both boys and girls probably want it as bad as the other does. Society places restrictions on the girls, though. Not that it is right.
I never cease to be amazed at my ability to dance around the root of a problem and never actually step on it. It’s easy to see statutory rape laws as “EW! That’s gross (and because I’ve fought the same urges that you gave in to) I am sending you to jail (as a sort of envious pennace by proxy).” ** And yes, I chose not to call it pennace envy **
With that logic it’s easier for me to get what all the fuss was about when Clinton got his hummer in the Oval office. It’s not the actual act that is offensive (and attraction to authority figures knows no age, so it’s not exactly unnatural), but rather the willingness to take advantage of someone who, on a level playing field, would probably not even look your way. But then I confuse myself, because if that’s the logic, then we need to sentence any number of rock stars for te same kind of abuse. I’m so confused…lock up the ped! If for no other reason than he made my brain hurt.
Nope, I understood that the shovel was for the guy. But would you be out getting a shovel for the 25 year-old woman who slept with your 14 year-old son?
Your daughter, hypothetically, could be more mature and able to handle it, whereas your son, hypothetically, could be traumatized.
My point was that it’d be better to base your reaction on the actual effect of such a thing rather than just the gender of the kid.
I can’t say what your kids (if you have any) would actually do. I can only tell you that my father’s attitude toward guys who would ‘defile’ his daughter meant that I was very, very good at hiding things from him. Had he been less stuck on the idea that it was my duty as a girl to keep my knees shut and his duty as a father to threaten any guy who tried to get near me, he might well have had a better relationship with me.
A kid’s gender doesn’t make them a victim or not a victim. It goes a lot deeper than that, and anyone who uses a position of authority (such as a teacher, coach, minister, etc) on a kid to push them into sex is a creep. Depending on their age and ability to understand what is happening, it may also be a crime. If they’re 12 and their step-father or their step-mother or their teacher or their coach has sex with them, then that person should go to prison. Doesn’t matter to me which gender the perp was and which gender the kid was, and I certainly don’t care if the perp is 5’1 or looks like Cindy Crawford.
Gee, ya think? :rolleyes: I was explaining why things are different for women and men, not that I thought that it was right that it is that way. I don’t think it is right, but that is the way it is and may explain why a previous poster thinks women get off lightly while men get heavier sentences.
I understand that. I just think that this is something society should work to change, and we can start with the notion that some people are ‘too short’ or ‘too pretty’ to go to prison.
If it’s broke, fix it, right? One way to go about that is to work on changing perceptions that society has, since as you said sentencing is often based on what society thinks.
Yes. My concern over his welfare is not as strong as my concern over the welfare of future potential victims. The fact that the judge is worried more for this guy’s well-being than for the victims he will possibly violate is disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
I still think it’s as much, but probably more the gender of the offender than the gender of the victim. Maybe you’re thinking “we protect our little girls but our little boys are good to go.” But I think you’re betraying a heterosexual male bias. You’re thinking “who wouldn’t want to get banged by the hot 25-year-old woman next door?” But what if the hot 25-year-old next door is a man, and it’s your son who wants to bang him? You’re probably going for the shovel & quicklime specifically because the offender is male, and not thinking “good for my boy, he got some!”
Good. So we know he has “poor impulse control” so we’ll just put him on double secret probation? Basicaly, we know he’s going to give in to some urge sooner or later, and for that he’ll go to jail. So let’s turn him loose to make that mistake as…what? Speeding ticket? Jaywalking? Nailing a cheerleader at a HS football game?
Probation for someone of otherwise good character who made a mistake I can see, but they know what this guy’s capable of and that he’s of low moral stature. Looney bin at least, but don’t turn him loose!
Not a bad idea. I’m curious, now that you mention it, what are the conditions like at an institution for the criminally insane? What kind of interaction do the inmates have with others? How much institutional observation is there of the inmates?