I would almost go back on my statement (re: horse ca-ca-ness of “hate the sin, love the sinner”).
I guess I’m a bit hung up on the religious aspect of the statement.
But I do know that there are people I love (relatives to remain namesless) who are the worst bigots I’ve ever known. I guess I still love them even though I hate virtually everything they say about any minority of any sort.
But that seems a bit obvious to me. I have a distaste for the hateful things they say, despite my feeling for them. I know that if I wasn’t related to them and I hadn’t grown up having them doing otherwise nice things for me … I certainly wouldn’t be friends with them. And don’t think for a minute that I’m not troubled by my own moral hypocracy of that situation.
It seems equally, if not more hypocritical to me to say “You know that thing you can’t change? I hate that about you. I think it is immoral. I think it is wrong in its very fiber. I think you are doomed to a life of misery because of it. But other than that you’re really keen.”
Your right handedness would become very important to you if you were constantly confronted by people who hated you because you were right handed.
Not for me it doesnt. I just dont think that way. Now there are a few things, child molestors for instance. I couldnt be freinds with one if I tried…And I had a freind who turned out ot be a terrorist, and if he hadnt gotten arrested he would have killed a whole lot of innocent people…I dont care for him to much now. but other than something extreme like that, I dont think of people in terms of what they believe or things that they do that dont effect me.
And read between the lines: “You sow discord. You drive these people absolutely insane. I live for the Erisian chaos you bring forth!”
:rolleyes: :wally
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I dont consider that moral hypocracy. I have freinds who are racist, I wish they werent…one of them I am gradually winning over…but that one bad thing about them doesnt negate the other good things about them. Its just a very small part of who they are…
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I wouldnt say that someone. I dont think that the freinds of mine who live sinful lives are doomed to a life of misery because of it. I sin all the time, I try not to , any Christian that says they dont is lying. Where this whole thing falls apart is when you start obsessing on what other people are doing. I know for instance that one of my best freinds is in an open marraige. Both him and his wife have sex with other people. I wouldnt do this, in fact I would consider it wrong, but it doesnt matter to me a bit that they do it, its between them and God, it doesnt concern me.
His4Ever, I think you’re a very interesting person and are good at trying to prove your point. I would be sad to see you go. The threads concerning/started by you are some of the funniest and/or most well-written threads I’ve seen. However…
My main problem with you is the fact that you think YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. It’s your way or the highway. No one can have their own opinion. You spend so much time trying to “save” everyone else that you neglect to step back and take a look at your own ways of life. How do you know that your way is right? If you choose to be a Christian, thats absolutely fine. Just don’t push it upon everyone else and try to change them. We can all live out lives as we see fit.
Of course sexuality doesn’t define who you are. But it is a big part of who you are. And it bcomes more and more important the more other people condemn you for it.
I don’t want to get back into the Christian notion of sin. I don’t really think there’s anything I can say to respond to “that’s between them and God,” that won’t come off as offensive. Suffice it to say that that end of the argument does not even remotely enter into the equation for me.
And I do find it hypocritical to say, “What you are wrong, but I still love you.”
I don’t care if she stays, I don’t care if she goes. I just wish she’d quit threatening to leave. You want to leave, leave already. You want to stay, stay. But enough with the pseudo-martyr moaning and whining.
Maybe, maybe not. While we’ve never banned a single poster because of their religion, we have banned countless people who behaved like assholes.
You, His4ever, can avoid falling into that last category by a simple behavioural change: stop telling people that the way they live their lives is wrong. As you’ve stated many times yourself, it is NOT your place to judge.
Hmm. Why am I not astonished that a simple expression of agape from a poster should mystify and confuse H4E? Lib, in his idiosyncratic fashion, tries to live the Christian message, hence he loves you as his sister in Christ. That you don’t understand this is more saddening than surprising.
I know that you meant that as a joke, but someone might skip down to it and think that what you “quoted” is actually what I said. I didn’t, and I wouldn’t.
Well, gobear it’s like this. I didn’t really expect anyone to wish me to stay around, including other Christians on the board who don’t share my views. It’s just rather surprising that’s all.
Several people have asked you to stay. I think you should stay because a)you’ll get useful lessons in Christian charity and compassion from folks like Lib and Polycarp, and b) you’ll be confronted with people and ideas outside your field of experience that might open up your narrow worldview.
I’d like to see you stay around, if only because, well, it’s boring always debating with those I AGREE with!
As for hate the sin, love the sinner-I always understood that to be like, when your child misbehaves. My mother would tell me, “No, I don’t HATE you,” (I’d accuse her of that). “But I don’t like what you DID.”
That’s all. Agree to disagree.
However, I really do think you need to start changing the way you look at things and the way you act if you’re going to stay.
Above all-quit whining that you are being persecuted. THAT gets on people’s nerves.
