Valar Hiatus: The Game of Thrones offseason thread

It does seem a little illogical. Speculation following:

[SPOILER]The other possibility is they’re fighting at the Red Keep in King’s Landing. I kind of hope not, because it leads to one of two outcomes: either the Unsullied are defeated, which is depressing because the Unsullied are bad-ass and need to stick around for the battle against the White Walkers.

Or Cersei is defeated, and the last season focuses on the remaining factions uniting in the war against the Walkers. While satisfying, I’d miss the evilness that is Cersei.

So despite a battle at Casterly Rock making no sense, I hope it somehow turns out to be the case.[/SPOILER]

21 minutes shows you 150,000 GOT deaths

See 150,966 'Game of Thrones' deaths in a 21-minute video - CNET

I noticed they were careful not to count the Mountain, though they did count Jon. And Syrio! (NOOOOOO!)

Also counted: some deer, a couple sheep, a couple pigeons, some rabbits, four dire wolves (of course), three leeches and a scorpion.

BUT no regular dogs and NO CATS.

Clearly they know what would go so far as to outrage viewers. :slight_smile:

Once again, for Father’s Day:

New trailer! July 16th can’t get here soon enough.

Does HBO now post new episodes at 9 on Sunday night? Or will I have wait to watch the episode later?

Also I think last year HBO now crashed due to demand for GOT hopefully that is fixed .

I have the HBO add-on via Amazon Prime, and Veep is made available Sunday night the same time it airs on TV.

Hodor gets a new gig: Facebook

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Multiple GOT endings to be filmed to prevent leaks: 'Game Of Thrones' Season 8 to Film Multiple Endings to Prevent Leaks - Variety

Sorry if its already been covered but…Jamie going to Winterfell may not work out for him. Think Littlefinger.

Though after further reflection…it would complete his redemption arc.

What this tells me is that Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion all make it to the final episode. Think about it.

They can’t film multiple endings that involve bunches of people or massive CGI. So all the decoys will have to be “up close and personal.”

So… Any news on Winds of Winter? I had to stop watching this show when it ran out of source material and turned into the Jaime and Bronn galloping through Dorne hour.

Google is an amazing thing: George R.R. Martin Says 'Winds of Winter' Could Hit Shelves in 2018 - Variety

I don’t see any chance that Martin finishes the series at all. COULD hit shelves in 2018? really? that would put the last book out some time around 2025, if the makes it that long. The show is the only conclusion we are going to get to this story and it’s basically fan fiction.

What I’ve been wondering lately, is if the cause of the delay is much sadder.

People do get old. Some old people develop mental problems. I’m not talking about psychological problems, purely flat out mental deficits that result from brain cells dying or becoming damaged. And it’s the higher abilities where the loss shows first.

Have you ever been a caretaker or close to someone with what turns out to have been early Alzheimer’s? In a lot of ways it looks ‘normal’ at first. Yeah, they forget things. Well, who doesn’t forget where they put their car keys now and then? And, yeah, they just asked you what was for dinner, and you’d already told them that an hour ago. But, hey, maybe they were distracted and didn’t really hear you. You don’t realize it’s just the first step on a continuing slide.

What will amaze you, in hind sight, is how well they can continue a ‘normal’ social life for quite a while. They can still carry on casual conversations with people, go to parties, express sympathy and interest and friendliness and all that.

But the kind of creativity that would let a mind come up with and carry out the production of a world and stories on the level of ASOIAF is found in, what, one percent of one percent of all humans? Less? It takes an extraordinary mind, and one operating at full bore. What happens when, say, 2 or 3 or 5% of that creativity is gone? When ideas get harder to come up with, or if you do manage to create them, but they slip away, forgotten, before you can get them fully written out?

Even if you can remember your new ideas, and jot them down right away, what about your memory of the tens of thousands of details you’ve already built into the world over literally decades??? Can you possibly be sure this new idea doesn’t contradict something else?

And you will KNOW this is happening to you, at least for the first stages. You will know you are forgetting things you should remember, and want to hide that ugly truth from those around you and most especially not flash it in front of the entire world.

Worst of all, what if your ability to create is going, but your ability to judge and appreciate creations isn’t? What if you write out that great new scene… and tomorrow you reread it, and realize it’s clumsy, slow, thick, boring, pedestrian??
Maybe this is all totally wrong. Maybe the reason Martin has been unable/unwilling to finish his book is that he’s said, Fuck it, I’m tired of Jaime and Cersei and Tyrion and all that. I’m rich enough and having more fun doing other things than sitting in front of computer for hours and hours wrestling with plot and characters and all. I’m going to go to cons and drink and laugh with fans and friends, and maybe I’ll license some more of my old writing to make even more money, sure, why not?

I really hope for his sake that is true. (And if so, I really, really hope he decides to hire a ghost writer and hands off his no doubt extensive notes, for our sake.)

But… I don’t think so. Look at the various chapters of the new book he’s read at cons. They all clearly happen shortly after the end of the last book. Likely they were written then, too. Might even be chapters he wrote FOR that book, that got moved to the next volume because the book just got too damn long to suit the publisher.

How long can you listen to someone say “soon” before you realize “soon” means “never”?

Also sad is how much of his recent blogs have been made up of “this friend has died” and “that friend has died” and “I remember meeting them back in whenever”.

It just strikes me the series has ended. Be it for the sad decline, already in progress, or with a sudden stop and the ultimate ironic ending of the game of thrones, and the last shocking character death being the author.

It’s certainly possible, but it’s not like the delays started recently. The first three books came out in 96, 99 and 2000. Since then there’s been two books in 17 years, soon to be 18. It’s much more likely that he lost interest or ran out of ideas.

GRRM wrote himself into a corner. He kept adding more subplots, more characters, more travel scenes dispersing his increasing cast of characters all over Planetos. But he’s said for decades now that ASoIaF will only have seven books. So he has to wrap up a huge number of plot lines, and get the important characters from all corners of the world back to Winterfell for the final war, while making satisfactory endings to all the non-essential characters. And he has to do it all in two novels. And he isn’t going to fall back on “retroactively make all the subplots pointless and stupid” and “teleport everyone everywhere” like the show did. So he’s definitely got his work cut out for him. I don’t envy his task. And I do suspect he took a long break after HBO’s GOT first aired to appreciate his newfound wealth and fame.

But I see no signs of dementia. Not that I’m close friends with him or anything, so I wouldn’t know unless it was published, but he still works pretty hard. He collaborates with other writers, edits and arranges compilations, and is pretty active on Twitter and Livejournal. He shows up to public events regularly. I think we would know if he was losing it. He’s not even 70 yet, I don’t think. (Just checked, he turns 69 on Wednesday.)

I think he will finish his masterpiece, but he will have to make compromises he doesn’t want to make to do so. I think he’s closer than many fans think, but he’s dragging his heels because he wants it to be perfect and at least subconsciously because he doesn’t want to step on the show’s toes.

Also, I don’t think it is necessarily the case that A Dream of Spring will take another near-decade to write after The Winds of Winter. I suspect he’s writing them in tandem (partially explaining the length of time since A Dance with Dragons), and ADOS will follow TWOW within a couple years. The solutions to the problems he’s facing now will carry over to the final book. He has the story, and he can write fairly quickly, but the details we’ve come to expect, the subtle symbolism, the food, the history of Westeros, the prophecies, all have to interlock together in a way that is plausible but not boring or predictable. It’s a problem of organization and layout like a jigsaw puzzle, not writer’s block. I feel like clearing that hurdle will make the pieces fall into place for both the final books, not just TWOW.

But what do I know? Maybe he’s batty or senile, and maybe he just gave up? I’m just going by what I can see from here.